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minamax10 Jul 8th, 2019 09:14 AM

Port wine cellar/cave in Vila Nova de Gaia recommendation
 
Greetings!

I'd like to book a tour and tasting at one of the cellars in Vila Nova de Gaia. There are just too many choices! Can anyone recommend which one would be the best? I can't seem to decide whether it's better to visit one of the big producers or to go for a smaller one. We are spending 2 days in Porto and 1 day in the Douro Valley (vising Quinta do Seixo and Quinta do Marrocos). We are not huge drinks and becuase the visit will be during the day time, it's more for educational/historical purposes with a little tasting (don't want anyone to fall asleep and miss everything else we want to do in Porto ;)

But I am interested in the traditional method of opening the bottles with hot tongs. I have no idea if all cellars offer this. Also, I have no idea how much it would cost. As long as it's not crazy expensive, then I think it would be interesting for us to see it done.

If anyone has any suggestions or commnets regarding costs, I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you!

Michael Jul 8th, 2019 11:49 AM

We chose a tour of an old establishment but not as big as Sandeman. It turns out that the smaller establishments are often owned by the same conglomerate. We are not connoisseurs, so I do not think that we would have been disappointed by any tastings in any of the cellars.

thursdaysd Jul 8th, 2019 04:19 PM

I recommend Taylors. Very good port, nice place. Also suggest having lunch or dinner there. I made the same recommendation to friends recently and they were very pleased.

https://www.taylor.pt/us/visit-taylors/port-cellars

https://www.taylor.pt/us/visit-taylo...ate-restaurant

Seamus Jul 8th, 2019 08:06 PM

Why limit yourself to one port house? I have done the Porto Walkers Port wine tour twice now, and enjoyed both times. You get a range from the historic (Ramos Pinto, the company that essentially created the global market for port wine) to the contemporary (rooftop bar) with a nice guided tasting session in a classroom assembled just for that purpose. Both times the guides were knowledgeable and friendly. Price was also very reasonable.

MyriamC Jul 9th, 2019 12:16 AM

We did a tour and tasting at Graham's. They have various formulas: classic ports in the Tasting Room ; Premiums in the Vintage Room.
They also have a shop (obvious), a museum and a rooftop restaurant (Vinum Restaurant & Wine Bar).
Tours, tastings, restaurant on reservation only!

minamax10 Jul 9th, 2019 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by MyriamC (Post 16950370)
We did a tour and tasting at Graham's. They have various formulas: classic ports in the Tasting Room ; Premiums in the Vintage Room. They also have a shop (obvious), a museum and a rooftop restaurant (Vinum Restaurant & Wine Bar).
Tours, tastings, restaurant on reservation only!

Thank you, Myriam, Vinum and Graham's was one of the possible choices. Between Barao Fladget and Vinum, I'm leaning toward Barao for dinner since they open at 19.00h vs 19.30h for Vinum. First night......jetlagged!.


Originally Posted by Seamus (Post 16950319)
Why limit yourself to one port house? I have done the Porto Walkers Port wine tour twice now, and enjoyed both times. You get a range from the historic (Ramos Pinto, the company that essentially created the global market for port wine) to the contemporary (rooftop bar) with a nice guided tasting session in a classroom assembled just for that purpose. Both times the guides were knowledgeable and friendly. Price was also very reasonable.

Haha... well, I think one should be enough since we are also doing two Quintas the day before (Quinta do Seixo and Quinta do Morrocas).


Originally Posted by thursdaysd (Post 16950217)
I recommend Taylors. Very good port, nice place. Also suggest having lunch or dinner there. I made the same recommendation to friends recently and they were very pleased.

https://www.taylor.pt/us/visit-taylors/port-cellars

https://www.taylor.pt/us/visit-taylo...ate-restaurant

I'm considering doing a "welcome to Portugal" dinner at Barao Fladgate one our first night in Porto / Portugal. Hopefully, we can have a semi-quick meal as everyone will be tired from the long journey from Japan and the time difference. So, if we do dinner there on day 1, then I think I should pick another cellar to visit on day 3 (day 2 is in the Douro valley).



thursdaysd Jul 9th, 2019 09:21 PM

I think it would be a waste to treat the Taylor's restaurant that way.

minamax10 Jul 9th, 2019 09:27 PM

What about Ferreira Cellars? Because we are planning to have a welcome dinner at Taylor's Barao Fladgate restaurant, I think it'd be bit redundant to return for the tour. So, looking for another option.

I see Ferreira Cellars ranked lower than others on TA and Google reviews, but the description sounds nice. " Established in an old convent, Ferreira Cellars is one of the most extraordinary wineries that you can visit in Gaia. Housed in a large building with high worn wooden ceilings, the Cellar was founded in 1751 by a family of winemakers."

What sounds appealing is that this company had a very famous female leader D. Antonia. For an all-female group (no boys with us this time ;)) and most ladies more interested in history than the wine itself, I was wondering if this would be a good tour. SInce it's going to be a private tour, maybe they would be willing to tweak it so that there is more about the history of port wine and the company vs how the wine is made.

Anyway, just wanted to ask if anyone has done Ferreira Cellars tour and whether it's a good one.

MyriamC Jul 10th, 2019 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by minamax10 (Post 16950837)
Between Barao Fladget and Vinum, I'm leaning toward Barao for dinner since they open at 19.00h vs 19.30h for Vinum. First night......jetlagged!.

Good choice! We had an excellent lunch on the roof terrace of Barão Fladgate.
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minamax10 Jul 10th, 2019 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by thursdaysd (Post 16950841)
I think it would be a waste to treat the Taylor's restaurant that way.

We usually have a fancier meal on the first night, but I know that everyone will be jetlagged. Hopefully, we can get back to the hotel by 9.00-9.30ish... So that should give us about 1.5-2 hours, I think should be alright for a 3 course meal :))

Michael Jul 10th, 2019 10:23 AM

For serious tasting from multiple producers, there is a tasting room on the
Rua São João about a block and a half from the Porto waterfront.

minamax10 Jul 25th, 2019 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by Michael (Post 16951053)
For serious tasting from multiple producers, there is a tasting room on the
Rua São João about a block and a half from the Porto waterfront.

Thank you, Michael. * Our idea for the tour is more academic than getting into tasting so much ;)) *I think the ladies I travel with are light drinkers who are mostly interested in history. **
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Maribel Jul 28th, 2019 12:05 PM

minamax10,
Since the ladies in your group are more interested in the history of Port making rather than drinking, I would suggest the self-guided tour at Taylor's, even though you would return there the next day after dinner at Barão the night before.

One doesn't need to pre-book, just show up anytime during their opening hours. The Taylor's audio guide I found quite educational, very informative, and I could go at my own pace. * The ladies could then, absorb as much or as little as each one wants, depending on their interests. The audio guide takes about an hour if you choose to hear the entire length. * We learned more about the Port wine history and wine making-aging process through this audio guide than we did at some of our quinta visits before, which were geared towards tasting. *Taylor's visit seemed more like a museum visit to me.

And the short Taylor's tasting, only two ports (for your light drinkers), can be taken sitting down at tables in their pretty, relaxing rose garden, complete with strutting peacocks, so it would give the ladies a chance to rest. *If anyone wanted, they could add a charcuterie or cheese plate to share for an additional fee.

But if you can book the private tour at Ferreira, you can tweak it to everyone's interests, which may be the most important factor to you--to learn more about the life of Doña Antónia, which was a fascinating one. But the tasting with this visit includes 5 ports and would take longer.

Barão Fladgate may be a better traditional Portuguese choice for dining than Graham's Vinum as the cuisine at Vinum is in the hands of the Basque Sagardi group with its many restaurants in different parts of the globe.
Just some thoughts.


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