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Pondering what to do with July Europe trip

Old Mar 18th, 2020, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by menachem View Post
I think we'll be dealing with this well into 2021 and there will still be restrictions in place on travel during the summer and the autumn. We'll also see that there are resurgences of the virus after restrictions have been lifted, after which restrictions will be in force again. Locally probably, but one of the restrictions will be to ban elective plane travel. The herd immunity thing not sure that will play out like everyone hopes it will, in my estimation. We don't know enough now about immune response. We may in 2 months' time. That's late May.

Business as usual will not return this year, if ever.
This being a travel site, I don't think a debate about the appropriate governmental response to coronavirus in July is really in order. The OP asked about travel plans in July, and I shared my intentions. Your opinion is far from being reality. It might well happen, but it might not. Time will tell.
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Old Mar 18th, 2020, 10:51 AM
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To paraphrase Winston Churchill, 2020/21 may be a time when it is equally good to travel or stay at home.
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Old Mar 19th, 2020, 07:13 AM
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Our June theatre tickets in London have been cancelled by the theatre I am just waiting till closer to see what Virgin Atlantic and Air France do. We have train tickets bought also.
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Old Mar 21st, 2020, 01:22 PM
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We, too, had tickets to the Passion Play in Germany end of June. I have planned this trip for 2 years...all this time praying my dad's alzheimers didn't get to a point he couldn't travel. He's never been to Europe and this was a once in a lifetime trip for our extended family. We are taking wait and see approach for the rest of the trip until decision is made for us. It is out of my hands, I realize, so just waiting. If we can't go I'm crossing fingers there might be an opportunity in August to do something else in Europe but once school starts, our chances become almost non-existent.

And we have a trip to Sicily booked for our 20th anniversary. But I know we will have other anniversaries so when we get there, we get there. And it will be even better for it.
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Old Mar 23rd, 2020, 08:16 AM
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mku4440 :The Passion Play 2020 is cancelled, it is postponed to open May 2022. I received the email notification last Thursday, 03/19/2020. https://passionsspiele-oberammergau....e&e=f3023c2820

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Old Mar 24th, 2020, 06:19 AM
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Another point to consider on your July travel plans: even if you have a contractual right to cancel, you might not end up getting a refund.

I'm booked at a couple of rental properties in July (one in Normandy and one in Provence) through VRBO. I've got the right to a 100% refund on the Normandy rental through May 5 and the Provence rental through June 27, but, I suspect my landlords might have a tough time coming up with a deposit refund if everyone cancels everything.

The largest expense for my trip is the airfare (we booked premium economy on American), and, as of right now, those flights are not in the change-without-penalty window, so nothing is to be gained by cancelling. I bought trip insurance through Travel Guard, but did not opt for the cancel for any reason provision, and, after reading the fine print (I'm a lawyer), I'm doubtful as to whether our trip insurance would provide coverage, unless a member of our party got sick, or, possibly, if our hosts were quarantined. So, for now, I see no reason to cancel my plans. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that the need to get the economy going again dictates a resumption of as much economic activity as possible once this initial wave of coronavirus subsides.
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Old Mar 24th, 2020, 08:27 AM
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Well my mid April flight to Lisbon just got canceled by United. They had made several changes to the main transatlantic flight, SFO-LHR. But then non residents wouldn't be allowed into Schengen until at least mid April so I knew I wouldn't be able to continue on from London.

But now that UA finally canceled, they're offering me a travel credit. Airlines are facing a cash crunch so they're not going to be in a hurry to issue cash refunds.


One hopes the crisis peaks soon and the spread is well on the decline by summer. That's not to say the risk of being infected still won't be high. But there will be pressures to restore economic activity, including travel, which a lot of European destinations depend on for income.

I don't know if it would still be worth the risk to proceed with these booked trips if they lift the travel restrictions. But I may not have a choice if the airlines intend to proceed with those flights after June or July, unless I'm willing to eat the cost.
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Old Mar 24th, 2020, 12:14 PM
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thanks miaedg...yes we are contemplating attempting to attend the event in 2022. We will see! I went in 2010 (amazing), so this was opportunity to take my husband and boys (and my parents). Best of luck!
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Old Mar 25th, 2020, 04:07 AM
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We have also plans on vacationing in Greece all summer. We hope everything will settle down soon, so we can go back to normal living.
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Old Mar 25th, 2020, 08:33 PM
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I know no more than the average person but I really can't see how travel will be a good idea until a vaccine is available and widely distributed. Or drugs are available to treat the virus. Which I've read/heard a hundred times is likely to be 12 to 18 months away unless they shortcut testing.

Isolation and social distancing seem to be the best defence at the moment. And unfortunately there is a high level of non-compliance in some countries.

But I figure there's nothing to stop me planning the next holiday, even if I have to wait a while. Many of us would say that half the fun is in the research and planning.
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Old Mar 26th, 2020, 06:19 AM
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I know no more than the average person but I really can't see how travel will be a good idea until a vaccine is available and widely distributed. Or drugs are available to treat the virus. Which I've read/heard a hundred times is likely to be 12 to 18 months away unless they shortcut testing.

Isolation and social distancing seem to be the best defence at the moment. And unfortunately there is a high level of non-compliance in some countries.

But I figure there's nothing to stop me planning the next holiday, even if I have to wait a while. Many of us would say that half the fun is in the research and planning.
If they try to implement social distancing for 12-18 months, you won't have any trips to plan. The airlines, hotels, and restaurants can't survive that. Right now, they are hoping that warmer temperatures, and possibly some immunity, knock it down this summer, but come next fall, they are going to have to hope that more testing, ventilators, ICU beds, and better treatments allow them to take a different strategy from mass isolation.

If there isn't a summer travel season this year, that means we are going to enter an economic depression the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1930s.
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Old Mar 26th, 2020, 07:44 AM
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We can't wait for the Fall to get more testing and healthcare capacity. We need to ramp up like it's wartime. It could have been done already, at least in the known centers of outbreak. That depression you are talking about will happen without concentrated and conducted action.


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Old Mar 26th, 2020, 09:36 AM
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We can't wait for the Fall to get more testing and healthcare capacity. We need to ramp up like it's wartime. It could have been done already, at least in the known centers of outbreak. That depression you are talking about will happen without concentrated and conducted action.
No one is waiting until Fall. There is an expectation that normal virus patterns will give us a break in the Summer weather, so that the next crucial point would be in the Fall. Hopefully, we will have caught up on those crucial items by that point. Right now, they are working as fast as they can but it's just not going to be fast enough for our short term problem.
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Old Mar 28th, 2020, 05:07 AM
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I say it's not a good idea to do any more purchasing of non-essential travel products. The thread asked for advice, and I gave it. Aside from that, I am repeating things that I have heard epidemiologists say. I will say, for example, that the simulations show that the spread of the virus continues once restrictions are lifted. If you want to argue with the simulations, then by all means give us your reasoning. But please don't equate my echoing of expert opinion on the same level as your SWAG.

So the question is, do you recommend that the OP buy tickets for July? I bought tickets in mid-December for April, and I am still worried I might not get my money back, I am definitely not rescheduling for 2020, because I believe I will lose my money completely. I admit that's an argument not a fact, but I have some hope for a refund right now, and I'm going to try to get it.

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Old Mar 28th, 2020, 12:39 PM
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So the question is, do you recommend that the OP buy tickets for July? I bought tickets in mid-December for April, and I am still worried I might not get my money back, I am definitely not rescheduling for 2020, because I believe I will lose my money completely. I admit that's an argument not a fact, but I have some hope for a refund right now, and I'm going to try to get it.
You might ought to re-read the OP:
Currently we've got US/Europe flights booked with frequent flyer miles and then flights between the 4 destinations booked on Euro budget airlines.
They already have bought tickets. The question is, whether to cancel those plans. That's a rather different question from the one you pose, which, understandably, might result in a different answer.
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Old Mar 28th, 2020, 01:53 PM
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Old Mar 28th, 2020, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by twk View Post
You might ought to re-read the OP:

They already have bought tickets. The question is, whether to cancel those plans. That's a rather different question from the one you pose, which, understandably, might result in a different answer.
It's a hard pill to swallow. However, I really do not see how "everything" will be back to normal this year. Also, I think elective plane travel will come under scrutiny and will face restrictions, because back in January it, and airports, were vectors for the spread of the coronavirus.
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Old Mar 29th, 2020, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by twk View Post
You might ought to re-read the OP:

They already have bought tickets. The question is, whether to cancel those plans. That's a rather different question from the one you pose, which, understandably, might result in a different answer.
Yes, I will amend my answer: You can hope for the best but expect the worst. There is also the possibility that, even if you are allowed to go, things could worsen once you are there. It is really hard to say. Right now, there are reports that suggest we might get seasonal relief. But at this point there's too much to take into account. They point to Florida and virus spread which is not as bad as you'd think, but then Louisiana makes it seem that it's too much to hope for. There are some places, like Myanmar and Thailand, where it hasn't spread yet, but there are too many factors to rule out. Meanwhile, take as much precaution as you can which is about 10x more than you'd imagine. The video created by Dr. Van Wingen is an eye-opener.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2020, 02:36 PM
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I am supposed to go to England with my aunt in June. .....
We have some non-refundable hotel/B&B reservations.

I am going to be hearing about this for the rest of my natural life. My aunt always travels on organized tours where everything is booked for her and canceling would mean one call. This time we made our own plans because that's how I travel - but at her insistence booked a lot of things in advance. I'm feeling like the trip has gone from the best of both worlds to the worst of both worlds.
If you booked the hotels and B&Bs through booking.com, they have a "Manage my bookings" page, where you can change all of your bookings in one pass, which takes about 30 seconds per hotel. I once had to cancel a trip because of illness in the family, and was glad I had booked everything (except one B&B) through booking.com. That one B&B was also the only reservation that was nonrefundable. I almost always make refundable bookings, but in this case, I wanted to stay in a place that had a real dearth of lodgings.

I also don't buy plane tickets very far in advance. I wait until 6-8 weeks before my trip. (Of course, if one is using award tickets, that's a different matter.) As for hotels, I book them after the plane tickets, usually about a month in advance or less. I never have my heart set on a specific hotel or B&B.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2020, 06:45 PM
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