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POLAND AND RUMANIA INUNDATED WITH TOURESTS.

POLAND AND RUMANIA INUNDATED WITH TOURESTS.

Old Apr 20th, 2001, 08:31 AM
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POLAND AND RUMANIA INUNDATED WITH TOURESTS.

We have doubled the size of our group going to Poland and Rumania this September. There are now two of us.
Our trip plans are as follow:
Spet 8 (Saturday) Arrive in Berlin.
Sunday explore post wall Berlin
Monday pick up car and drive to Poland
Tuesday and Wednesday Explore Warsaw
Thursday Head on to Krakow
Visit cave where first King of Poland killed Dragon
Visit Auswitch
Visit Black Madonna
Visit Salt Mines
Tuesday Start drive to Romania
Wed Explore Transylvania
Thursday or Friday On to Bucharest
Monday Leave Bucharest, drive through Hungary spend night in Budapest
Tuesday On through Vienna and on to Munich for one day at Octoberfest
Friday Drive to Frankfurt. (oh those autobahns)
Saturday Fly home (hopefully using an airplane as my arms get very tired.)
Some adjustments may be made as I read more on Romania.

If this seems interesting to you let us know.
Regards
Art
 
Old Apr 20th, 2001, 08:34 AM
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Sorry, I meant Tourists.
 
Old Apr 20th, 2001, 08:59 AM
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Congrats, Art...

As you have surely read by now, I am working on a fall "Fodorites' trip" to Italy, so the odds of being able to join you are considerably lower. But the dates of "our" Italy trip are not set, and I am still giving some consideration to trying to (some of) your trip as well.

Best wishes,

Rex
 
Old Apr 21st, 2001, 02:35 PM
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Art, you can do Auschwitz & Black Madonna the same day, I think. Use the other day to go to Zakopane. It is worth it. I wish I could triple your size!
 
Old Apr 21st, 2001, 05:13 PM
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Art.You can skip the dragon cave its very hokey,tour the castle its real. Travelman
 
Old Apr 21st, 2001, 11:05 PM
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Art, don't spend more than one day in Bucharest. Other parts of Romania are much nicer.
 
Old Apr 22nd, 2001, 12:56 AM
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if you will spend the night in bucharest visit: http://bucharest-accommodation.ro
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 02:54 PM
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Plans are firming up. We may now have tripled our size. Have a potential third person our our foray to the east. Based on input from you marvolous people it looks like just one day in Bucharest. As I read more, Poland becomes more and more interesting. We could use a fourth person to round out the group (grouplet.)
Art
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 03:13 PM
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Oh great, yet another tour promoter. Fodor's why do you allow this type of blatant soliciting on your site? This guy wants you to hand money so he can "plan" and "guide" you. That's commerce, whether he claims it's non-profit or not (yeah, sure it's not).
I'm so tired of visiting this place and seeing one promotion after another. What happened to the good old fashioned travel talk without all the sales pitches and promotion? These shiesters are obviously using this site to target potential customers for the ventures, and that violates the spirit and rules of Fodor's. Fodor's please delete these nonstop commercials!!!
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 05:21 PM
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Yet another COWARD speaks. Like I'm going to make a lot of money with one or two people joining me. Maybe fuel won't cost me as much as if I were driving alone, but no hotel etc is going to give me a free room if one or two other travelers join me. It would be nice if Fodors could employ some artificial intelligence to rebuke or identify cowardly attacks, of course for most of them any intelligence is artificial anyway, if they have any at all.
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 05:25 PM
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Hey Art -- we missed you at the Chicago "fodorite" meeting today!

What Art [and *yes* even dear Rex] are doing is a natural outgrowth of a group of people who share a love of travel. It's really not that much different than the "ride" boards we used in college.
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 08:38 PM
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Art: Skip Warsaw - Instead I suggest going south to Dresden then go east to Bastei and fortress in Koningstein maybe even Bad Schandau. Then Cross to Poland and visit really nice Castle in Ksiaz as well as Bolkow then stop in Wroclaw (old city) Metropol hotel is nice (oldfashion, near parking and in old city) then Czestochowa (Black Madonna) then to Krakow (going thru Piaskowa Skala see castle then to Cool Castle in Ogrodzieniec and Mirow).
In Krakow check Wawel and old City. SaltMines and Oswiecim but also definitly Zakopane.
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 08:49 PM
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Another quicker way would be thru Poznan (check old city) then Torun (where Copernicus was born - many churches and buildings are from around XII century. and possibly spa city of Ciechocinek which is about 25km south from Torun (where you will find hotels bit cheaper then in Torun). Then go south and again skip Warsaw.
 
Old Apr 28th, 2001, 09:00 PM
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Hotel in Wroclaw - Monopol http://www.orbis.pl/hot_mon.html
 
Old Apr 29th, 2001, 12:17 AM
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My, my...charming when we want to recruit tour group clientele, but the real venom spews forth when challenged or annoyed in the teensiest way! Is that how you plan to handle all your tour group irritations, Art? Unbridled rage IS an effective method of control for you, isn't it? You get to blow off steam, turn the accusations around and avoid questions of impropriety and crass commercialism at the same time! Your true colors shine through with just the briefest of anonymous internet annoyances....my, how will you handle any unforseen problems as a "tour guide?" Can your future clients expect the same kind of tantrums and invectives? I'll bet they're all just lining up to hand over their money to you and have you throw fits... whoops ..."guide" them!! Where do we mail the checks?????
 
Old Apr 29th, 2001, 04:53 PM
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Isn't it "Romania" and "Tourists?" You have to wonder about a tour guide who can't even spell "tourist."
 
Old Apr 29th, 2001, 06:26 PM
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To Clamoring. As Ive acknowledged before, I may be one of the worst spellers in the world, but at least I can comprehend what I read. I am not and never will be a tour guide and have no interest in being one. My original post was to see if other fodorites on this forum were interest in joining up. Some people would like to go to those areas (Poland and Romania) but are a little nervous of going alone. There is no commercialism and if I gain anything it would be less cost for fuel and rental as that would be shared among the travelers. If I get upset at times it is only with the anonymous posters that attack others. My response has always been the same whether aimed at me If you have read any of the attacks on on other people, you would know that I react the same. Ive been a manager of professional people for over 20 years and have always dealt face to face with issues whether good or bad. I also the first (to my knowledge) the first and largest GTG of local Fodorites last November and repeated in March. If someone stands up face to face (or real name to real name) thats fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
As I mentioned before, my hope was to offer a vehicle for a couple of people with similar travel interests to get together for a trip. Im going anyway. I have never asked for any money, if fact each person that is interested must make their own reservations even to the extent that they may want to stay somewhere different than I. I have never anticipated that we would be more than 3 or 4 on this trip. I was going to just let this die, but as some else (anonymous of course) brought it to the top I decided to respond.
To Cece Yes I misspelled Romania and tourist in the first post but if you had bothered to read the one immediately following it I corrected tourist but missed Romania.
 
Old Apr 29th, 2001, 06:31 PM
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On the defensive AGAIN Art?? The more you yammer on the less credibility you have. Ever notice that the guilty person always justifies and overexplains to convince others he's not guilty?

Denying it doesn't make it so.
 
Old Apr 29th, 2001, 07:08 PM
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Dear Ad since you are one of the anonymous cowards, you have no credibility at all. Don't you have any courage at all? I'd hate to be working in the same company as you. I'd have to be checking my back all of the time.
 
Old Apr 29th, 2001, 09:26 PM
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Well now Art, you don't have to worry about any corporate job now, do you, because you spend all your time trying to hock your services on the web! Still just as guiltily defensive as ever, aren't we? hehehehe!!!!!!
 

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