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flygirl Jan 25th, 2004 05:44 PM

one thing important to remember - packing light is great and all, but don't make yourself nutty doing it. if you don't mind using porters, cabs instead of public transport, etc. - then bring everything you want.

cigalechanta Jan 25th, 2004 06:26 PM

Polly, curious, are you talking real silk pjs? If so, very expensive to clean. And depending where you are staying, there is not always someone to carry your bags.

Marilyn Jan 25th, 2004 06:54 PM

I'd stick with the pink shawl. It's nice to have some color and it will be fabulous in the evening if you are wearing all black. (But then, I'm from California, too, and we do wear a lot more color than those east coasters!)

I hand wash my silk pajamas -- no problem. Silk has been around a lot longer than dry cleaning.

easytraveler Jan 25th, 2004 07:20 PM

You are getting excellent advice here.

Just a few more points: Remember that about 1/3 of your total luggage space will be taken up with "others":

A small medical kit (bandaids, antiseptic cream, tweezers, and so on)

Something for rain (I prefer a rainproof jacket with hood) Maybe a small umbrella?

A small sewing kit - no scissors! Use your teeth :-d

Camera plus film/extra memory card

Toiletries - small tube of toothpaste, small jars of creams and lotions (I keep these in their original glass containers) toothbrush, facial cleansing pads, deodorant, shower cap, hairbrush, a very small bar of soap, a very small bottle of travel laundry detergent from REI, and on and on depending on your personal needs and likes.

I wear glasses, so carry three pairs.

Cell phone, charger, and adapter.

Guidebook(s).

Then you need to have a moneybelt to carry all your travel documents, cash, and other indispensables.

In compiling this list, I've probably left off at least 1/2 dozen other essentials.

I also tend to like having a pair of cheap slippers/rubber thongs which can be thrown away at the end of the trip. Old slippers will do also. These are great for comfort at the end of a long day of walking. Depending on the type of accommodations, the rubber thongs are great for wearing into communal showers or to poolside.

Pack all these things into your luggage also and try hiking around with EVERYTHING.

Have a great trip!




overbuget Jan 25th, 2004 07:24 PM

whatever you take
the best suggestion i have heard off of this list is to use ziplock bags. you can organize and smash down to nothing when you put your clothes in those. i spent a month on the road in france and i could pull out my undie bag or my t shirt bag....it was great

StCirq Jan 25th, 2004 07:36 PM

I definitely agree that the white jeans have to go. I don't know about the "red-hooded light cotton jacket" - I'm not sure what purpose this serves.
Also the 3/4-length black wool coat - whew! That would NOT be my choice for an outergarment in March in Italy.I'd take one of those microfiber, lightweight 3/4-length coats with a hood. MUCH less weight and far more versatile. You can get one with a zip-out lining if you're afraid of cold (which I would not be).
I don't think I'd take the black cords, either, come to think of it. Where would I wear them that I wouldn't wear the black jeans? IN fact, I wouldn't take either cords or jeans - I'd take a nice tailored pair of black gabardine pants.
And for March, I wouldn't take 4 T-shirts, I'd take more mid-length and long-sleeved shirts.
Unless you're planning to do some serious lounging, I'd eliminate the lounging attire completely. Just put on your sleepwear to lounge, assuming you're not planning to lounge in public.
Velvet robe? You must be kidding! If you MUST have a robe (why?), take a silk one that weighs nothing.
You're on the right track, but you're not quite there. Style Court, where are you?
As a general rule, I've found you want at least 50 percent more tops than bottoms, so see if that helps you in planing.
Back to the drawing board............

djkbooks Jan 25th, 2004 08:10 PM

Since you obviously prefer black slacks, check out the Bayside Twills at L. L. Bean. Excellent for dressy or casual, and they have very deep pockets. They drip dry overnight, hold the creases, don't require pressing, and look brand new forever.

Lands End makes fabulous casual knit slacks. I love the Sport Knit pants. Again, deep pockets. Wonderful to wear on the plane, for "lounging", even to bed, if it's chilly, with a tee.

I'd skip the black tees - too much black. Substitute beautiful colors. L. L. Bean also has fabulous tee shirts (even twin pieces) of every variety. They have a dressier cut and style, drip dry overnight.

I'd go ahead and bring the red hooded jacket if you love it (for color, especially). Wear it on the plane. Or, pack it, and wear the 3/4 wool. (I take my 3/4 wool everywhere if it's appropriate for the season, my black wool blazer otherwise, but not both.)
A 3/4 microfiber coat with hood, that fits over the blazer, though, is probably the better bet for outerwear.

A shawl is nice if you're dining in the hotel or walking to dinner. Otherwise, it's a pain, especially on public transportation.

You haven't mentioned a skirt or dress to go with the dress mules?


scumpy Jan 25th, 2004 08:31 PM


Marilyn, I think Holly gotcha! with the white jeans and pink shawl.:)

Polly, this website has helped me pare down my packing: http://www.oratory.com/onebag/home.html

WillTravel Jan 25th, 2004 08:38 PM

I highly recommend visiting laundromats at least twice during your stay. I find that clothes that have been machine-washed and dried are usually cleaner and nicer than clothes that are handwashed. I know with delicates you have no option but to handwash. You could probably find out ahead of time where the closest laundromats are and decide on the time and place you will attend them. Alternatively, sometimes good deals can be had for paying someone to do it.

Perhaps the situation is different in more upscale accommodations, but my downscale (but still clean and pleasant) accommodations that I have had so far did not have what I considered a convenient place to hang up wet clothes.

Marilyn Jan 25th, 2004 08:51 PM

Hi scumpy! Holly did indeed "get me" -- is there an emoticon for being embarrassed?

polly (I love your screen name, by the way), I'd ditch the wool coat in favor of a fairly stylish, loose fitting, 3/4 length raincoat with a hood and a zip out lining. You can wear it over the blazer and/or the cashmere sweater if it's cold, and you can wear it out in the evening.

pollyesther Jan 25th, 2004 09:41 PM

You've all given me alot to think about. I was bringing the lightweight wool fitted coat because if I walk around at night I get cold easily (I'm from So. Cal. so my blood is thin).

But the microfiber would work too over the sweater and blazer. The red hooded top is for a coverup on a warmer day, I was thinking it would be pretty cool in March and really cool at night by the ocean, am I right?

Marilyn, I might throw the white jeans and a white tee back in to wear with the pink pashmina as a tribute to California!

I was going to wear the mules with the dressy pants for dinners, I usually don't travel with skirts but now I am thinking I might this time for a change.
I don't know why I make such a big deal of this, but I appreciate all your advice.

djkbooks Jan 25th, 2004 10:03 PM

I, personally, cannot imagine wasting any valuable travel time at a laundromat on a two week trip, or how machine washed/dried clothes are cleaner and nicer.

Usually, I bring one or two plasic hangers with skirt clips which can be easily hung anywhere. If not in the shower, excess moisture can be removed with towels after showering.

You can even use shampoo/shower gel in lieu of laundry detergent.

I'd much rather rinse a few items out before retiring or after showering and before heading out for the day than locating a laundromat, having change/supplies, figuring out how to work the machines, and waiting around for the wash/dry cycles.

You can wear most things twice, especially if you change for the evening and wear that outfit during the following day.

You really don't need truly dressy shoes for slacks, but they go quite nicely with a slim skirt.

Celiaanne1 Jan 25th, 2004 10:10 PM

What fun to read this. I thought I was the only one who went crazy trying to travel light!

One disagreement I have with almost all of the posters is -- TAKE your lounging outfit! Whoever said jeans are comforatble is NUTS :). They are usually tight and constricting. Nothing better than slipping into a pair of elastic waist pants after a nice dinner. I NEVER travel without some "downtime" clothes.

Huitres Jan 25th, 2004 10:29 PM

After repeated trips to Europe lugging a heavy suitcase; and alternatively carrying an over-the-shoulder bag that nearly broke my R shoulder, I have vowed each time to travel lighter. I finally started doing that in spring 2003 and I finally have a system that has worked thus far. I only bring a small, carry-on size suitcase. I take only the very essential clothing items needed (1 or 2 pairs of pants, 1 sweater, 1 top, and a scarf/gloves if traveling in winter or colder weather. All the travel columns recommend wearing all your heaviest stuff on you (leather/wool coat, etc) to avoid the bulk and weight in your suitcase. I have also learned from my European friends - they wear the same clothes nearly every day, just changing the outfit with an accessory or two (different scarf every day, etc). Going through your list, I have noted the following: Multiple pair of pants are not necessary. In fact, a very good pair of black pants goes a long way, it can be dressed up for evenings and worn during the day sight-seeing. Keep in mind that jeans and cords are the heaviest fabrics and take up space/bulk as well as weigh down your suitcase. I would remove those immediately and opt for 1 light pair (polyester/cotton blend/spandex type pant - Eddie Bauer comes to mind), 1 black T-shirt, 1 white T-shirt, blazer and a sweater. The addtl shirts, cotton jacket, robe, waterproof shoes, etc all seem (IMO) like lots of extras that will just make your suitcase heavier than you want it to be. A lot of the items you have listed are duplicates and not necessary. The cashmere sweater can be used for a nice dinner - the dressy blouse is not necessary; the warmup outfit is not needed since you are bringing a hooded light cotton jacket anyway. Delete the cashmere shawl - the scarves you are bringing can do the same thing. Why not waterproof your black loafers yourself with some spray and leave the waterproof shoes at home?!Keep in mind, the Amalfi coast is very windy and cold at that time of the year, you'll be wearing your black wool coat over all these outfits and no one will even see what you have on underneath! You will realize that you can make do on less and if need be, can always wash a small item or 2 in your hotel room sink or even ask the hotel. And lastly, remember, you are only going for less than 14 days - you can do it! Buon viaggio!

Natalia Jan 25th, 2004 10:48 PM

I am enjoying reading this thread too because I always have trouble packing the minimum, Pollyesther.
In fact I will be in the area about the same time as you and I think it is going to be pretty chilly, I dont know when web sites post temperatures if they take wind chill into consideration.

I take my lined leather jacket which is warmish and I also take a microfiber jacket for rainy days, but I am not being any help am I?!

It is a hard decision to make believe me, I think I will take notes from this thread myself.

jenviolin Jan 26th, 2004 01:09 AM

Get rid of some more stuff. Remember, you are going to ITALY! If you find you need more clothes, shopping is a great adventure! Take no more than
2 pr. pants
2 t-shirts
1 long-sleeve t-shirt or blouse
1 jacket & 1 sweater
1 coat
2 scarves (or buy 1 there)
1 skirt or dress only if you are a skirt or dress person

The above list gives you a minimum of 14 different combinations, assuming everything works with everything else.

And don't forget that you have to stuff another small suitcase or duffel (empty!) in there, too, for souvenirs & extras!
2 pr shoes

GSteed Jan 26th, 2004 03:02 AM

Re:Packing Why are you going to the Amalfi coast? Function will dictate wardrobe. Polite suggestion, keep a daily diary noting your clothing use. Review it at the end of two weeks. Today Europe is awash with inexpensive clothing! Many items cost less than the fee for washing them. Yesterday I saw 'tennis shoes' at a shop for less than a dollar a pair. Wear them once then discard them. Concern about being cold? Use a layering system. Luggage weight should not be more than 20% of body weight. Repackage all items that are in relatively heavy containers. Consider a wheeled piece of luggage or a luggage cart. Kaizen..keep a record of what you actually wear on trip.

Holly_uncasdewar Jan 26th, 2004 06:14 AM

Marilyn, I really did think this thread was a troll =D>. But evidently everyone else seems to be taking it quite seriously!

pollyesther Jan 26th, 2004 07:22 AM

Holly, why do you think my post was a troll post?

People on this board have different life styles and life experiences and this pertains to travel as well.

I do appreciate all the responses and I am working on a revised list and testing it in my suitcase.

cigalechanta Jan 26th, 2004 07:26 AM

Wishing you a wonderful trip. Take what YOU will be happy wearing.


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