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richardab Oct 13th, 2004 04:04 PM

Passengers Top Ten List for Flight Attendants on flights to Europe!
 
1. We can get thirsty in the middle of the flight. Come by and offer some water.

2. Remember some of us are land-locked in missle seats and cannot get up easily.

3. Please give me the whole can of soda. 55 cents is not going to bankrupt your airline.

4. Please make your inflight announcements clearly.

5. Tell me when you start the movie so I don't miss the beginning.

6. Don't hide in the rear cabin.

7. Don't snarl at me when I don't have correct change.

8. Don't socialize with the other flight attendants in the open. Especially when a guest is nearby.

9. I don't ant to hear ypur grumbling about the company you are working for. Take that to the union.

10. Remeber that your employer is you bread and butter. There is an old saying, "Don't s*it where you eat". You represent and are the perception of the airline and should do everything possible to make a good impression.

Bonus hint - Smile. Always smile. A little love goes a long way.

Robespierre Oct 13th, 2004 04:43 PM

If you don't absolutely <u>love</u> every minute of every flight, find some other way to make a living.

degas Oct 13th, 2004 05:18 PM

Don't stop massaging my feet until I tell you to

Don't make me have to ask for more peanuts

Stop trying to slip me your cell phone number - I'll give you my card if I want to hook up you.

Make sure I get hot towels before and after each meal and snack

Make sure my NYT &amp; WSJ's are crisp


richardab Oct 13th, 2004 05:56 PM

Be sure to keep the bathrooms clean. Men are suc pigs when they pee.

richardab Oct 13th, 2004 05:56 PM

I meant &quot;such pigs&quot;

richardab Oct 13th, 2004 05:58 PM

Robespierre, I agree. Why do it if you don't like to be in the &quot;hospitality&quot; business.

I know you are the &quot;primarily for my safety&quot; but can I please get more ice in my coke?

dutyfree Oct 13th, 2004 07:46 PM

Dearest Richardab-You must not be flying my airline as we MUST come through the cabins with glasses of bottled water EVERY 20 minutes between the various meal services./ We would love to give you the whole can of soda if you ASK-you obviously do not understand about&quot;weight and balance&quot; in flying in regards to supplies along with storage on aircraft./Some flight attendants are not unionized on major USA airlines./We won't snarl at you for not having correct change for your cocktails but keep in mind that the other 200 plus passengers all went to the ATM and got nothing but $20 bills too.(Sorry but my husband doesn't let me take that kind of money on my trip for change?)So be patient when I tell you that I do not have change and it will take awhile./Its hard to socialize on an overseas flight as the crew is never alone&quot; in the back&quot;-someone is always up chatting about their trip,love lives,etc. I enjoy meeting the people and offering tips for where they are going etc.I have quite a few good letters during my long flying career so perhaps you have not had the good fortune of flying with me. I look forward to serving you..............

richardab Oct 14th, 2004 06:52 AM

Which airline do you work for? I don't think carrying some cans of soda are going to misbalance the plane. After all, some airlines give a can, some don't.

I am not saying that every airline has bad flight attendants but sometimes it seems like some of them don't even want to be there.

I almost excusively fly on United for the last 15 years and they treat me well. Service is usually good and flight attendants usually friendly. It's the few others I fly on now and then that I think are substandard, especially Southwest and Delta. For International I almost always fly Lufthansa. On LH I have done both biz and economy. Both were fine. I have also done Air France and Virgin. Both of those were in biz class and I have to say Air France was fab, Virgin sucked.

goatee Oct 14th, 2004 07:32 AM

On my recent trip to Europe I flew Air Canada and was really impressed with the service. As for Southwest, of course they are substandard, that's why the airfare is so cheap. I like to refer to it as Greyhound with wings!

MelJ Oct 14th, 2004 07:49 AM

WOW! Water every 20 minutes? I'd also like to know what airline you fly with, as I can't remember a flight where that ever happened! BA used to be pretty good about providing water, ice cream, etc. every few hours (and started you off with orange juice before take-off--even in the cheap seats--but all that went by the wayside a few years ago. Now you're lucky to get your dinner (seriously--we were forgotten for a LONG time once).


smiley525 Oct 14th, 2004 08:05 AM

my question-is it really bottled water? There was a 60 minutes (or some kind of show like that) that was saying basiclaly never drink water on a flight (unless you open the bottle yourself), many times it comes from the faucet when they run out of real bottled water. It was talking about how many people get sick from the water/ice on flights. Sometimes the water isn't even good to wash your hand with...

Robespierre Oct 14th, 2004 08:11 AM

<font color="blue">WEIGHT AND BALANCE????</font>

I'm laughing so hard, I can hardly type!!!

I have been a pilot for 30 years, and in the '70s I designed the W/B program for the KIAC system at the Flying Tiger Line. We balanced DC8-63F aircraft (the stretch freighter version), and trust me, there is absolutely NO issue with where the mass of a soda (or even 300) is distributed in a modern jetliner. In an aircraft that carries 45,000 gallons of fuel, the autopilot is continuously adjusting pitch trim to account for the burnoff of the weight of a case of soda a second.

Leave the flight dynamics issues to the engineers, and get back to the galley.

lucygirl Oct 14th, 2004 08:25 AM

&quot;Leave the flight dynamics issues to the engineers, and get back to the galley.&quot;

is barefoot and pregnant optional?


dutyfree Oct 14th, 2004 08:26 AM

Dear Robespierre-there are differences in weight and balance in regards to freighters and passenger airlines(DC-8's vs B-777/767's?). On some of our flights we are taking round trip items so that the return flight going back to the states has the items on the flights-these are things that they cannot stock in Europe for us. Keep in mind that with every can of pop,we still have to dispose of it somewhere after one finishes it.Although we try and compact all garbage and put cans in recycling bags-there is only so much space. On most of our planes,in the economy section there are 2 trash carts and 2 small trash bins.When you start having 2 meal services and 3 beverage services on a typical flight that serves 200 people,there is alot of garbage.To the others-yes, my airline ALWAYS uses bottle water.
Just to let you know-there are &quot;bean counters&quot; at every company and at ours they figured out that if they took off a certain pop that wasn't as popular as others they could save over $100,000 dollars a year in fuel.

Grasshopper Oct 14th, 2004 08:38 AM

Dutyfree, I repeat my previous post. You have to have one of the hardest jobs around. And some of these posters will make it clear why that is.

Who on earth does love every minute of their job?! I have a GREAT job, but there are lots of moments I have to grin and bear it.

ira Oct 14th, 2004 08:42 AM

&gt;...if they took off a certain pop that wasn't as popular as others they could save over $100,000 dollars a year in fuel.&lt;

Is that why I can't get my Dr Pepper?

goatee Oct 14th, 2004 08:44 AM

I second that. Passengers sure can get cranky (either justified or not so) by circumstances beyond the flight attendant's control.

Robespierre Oct 14th, 2004 08:45 AM

You didn't understand a word I wrote, did you?

In an aircraft of the size we're discussing, aircraft balance is unaffected whether the weight of the soda is in the storage compartment, in the galley, on the trolley, on the passenger's tray, in the passenger's belly, or in the septic tank.

The weight and distribution of the fuel, and the rate at which it's consumed by the engines <b>overwhelms</b> all changes in balance in the cabin by <i>many orders of magnitude</i>. As I said before, the autopilot is adjusting pitch trim on a millisecond-to-millisecond basis to compensate for the constant shifting of the aircraft's center of gravity.

You made the statement that &quot;...you obviously do not understand about 'weight and balance' in flying in regards to supplies along with storage on aircraft.&quot; Sorry, but cans of soda have no relevance to weight and balance, and I find your statement typical of what flight attendants tell passengers about technical matters of which they are totally ignorant.

Now, get out of the cockpit and get back to work!

goatee Oct 14th, 2004 09:02 AM

Ah, we see first hand what I sometimes hear about a certain degree of animosity between the cockpit and cabin crews...

dutyfree Oct 14th, 2004 09:09 AM

Then why are the airlines(particularly international flying) concern about the number of bags/weight,etc.? The engineers have a basic weight for the &quot;average passenger&quot; multiplied with the weight of their carryon and their checked bags.(Yes Ira-thats why Dr. Pepper was taken off!)Robespierre-I was merely relating what my airline has told me for many many years.End of discussion on my part. Have a good day!

dutyfree Oct 14th, 2004 09:16 AM

I just saw the last comment before I signed off.I have no animosity towards cockpit crews whatsoever-after all these years of flying I am still amazed at what they do during times of trouble in keeping me alive.(I have been married to a pilot for many years now!)Robespierre -are you a private pilot or a pilot with a freight company?

degas Oct 14th, 2004 09:17 AM

With TSA taking away so many knives, handguns, spears, swords, lances and flame-throwers, plus nail files and clippers, you would think the airlines could stash a few more cases of sodas on board. Just a thought.

ira Oct 14th, 2004 09:23 AM

Not to mention olive oil.

(posted on another thread)

Robespierre Oct 14th, 2004 09:38 AM

&quot;Then why are the airlines(particularly international flying) concern about the number of bags/weight,etc?&quot;

Because the more weight the airplane carries, the more fuel it uses, and the carriers will eliminate any weight they can without alienating customers. Limiting baggage weight is a good place to reduce it. They would prefer not to carry any soda (or food, or booze) at all, but they wouldn't stay in business long if they did.

LilyLace Oct 14th, 2004 09:56 AM

Maybe I am just too happy to be alive but there are just so many things to be upset about in life! Service on a simple flight to Europe from the US is just not something I'll complain about! I deal with people all over the world for a living and really folks, this is just life. Some flights are more comfortable than others, thats all. If you need an extra drink, ask for it. Get up and go to the back or ring the bell. It's really pretty easy. Peace.

suze Oct 14th, 2004 10:24 AM

&lt;I am not saying that every airline has bad flight attendants but sometimes it seems like some of them don't even want to be there.&gt;

Richard, You've never had a bad day at the office???

richardab Oct 14th, 2004 11:58 AM

Everyday is a bad day at the office!

For every can of soda that the airline takes off the jet I bet someone brings on board a sausage or round of cheese.

smiley525 Oct 14th, 2004 01:06 PM

I've been on a charter flight where we left late cause they had to rearrange the luggage to balance the plane. We also had to stop 1/2 way to get more fuel cause the plane weighed too much. So it was either leave people/luggage behind or stop. It wasn't even that long of a flight (from Dominican Republic to Baltimore) we had to stop in FL to refuel. That was a scary flight.

richardab Oct 14th, 2004 01:32 PM

they could have just tossed a few people out of the plane

JulieVikmanis Oct 14th, 2004 01:46 PM

I couldn't agree more with #9. I swear I've never stopped by an area where flight attendants congregate that I haven't gotten an earful of venom about scheduling, hours, benefits, etc. It's just unseemly.

Gardyloo Oct 14th, 2004 02:34 PM

Okay, I gotta ask.

<i><b>How much should I tip the autopilot?</b></i>

kswl Oct 14th, 2004 02:52 PM

Richard, I must weigh in. I bring one carry-on and one medium-sized purse on transatlantic trips--no checked luggage. I believe that entitles me (ENTITLES, mind you) to bring several apples, bananas, a sandwich and my own bottled water aboard. The food served in coach class on every airplane I've ever flown on is absurdly tasteless and grudgingly served. I am never asked every 20 minutes, or every 2 hours, if I would care for something else to drink.

I am usually hot, uncomfortable, and sitting behind or in front of a 300 pound human who should have been made to purchase two seats. Flying is a way to get from point A to point B, period. It has devolved into a bus ride no matter what airline you take, and all the employees seem in a chronic state of complaint and dissatisfaction with their jobs.

jck4 Oct 14th, 2004 03:29 PM

Ira - I'm with you - BRING BACK THE DOCTOR!! BRING BACK THE DOCTOR!!

richardab Oct 14th, 2004 03:58 PM

kswl, i agree, anything you bring is better than what is served.


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