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starrs Aug 10th, 2025 12:26 PM

Thanks geetika and bilboburglar.
I had no idea that the last seasonal flight out was a big deal. They were taking photos of the plane and there was a little celebration by several of the agents. I was given an escort back through security and passport control to make sure I made it through in time. All I know is, I was thrilled to be back in Paris so unexpectedly.

I can FEEL the weight of that tasseled key in my hand. If I found out I only had a short time to live (and could travel) I'd do this quick trip all over again. I truly love that hotel and that city. So to answer the question, I can't think of anything.

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Seamus Aug 10th, 2025 06:20 PM

Paris was my first European city. I was supposed to be meeting a colleague flying in from Miami and we would continue to a meeting in Florence. She was delayed by catastrophic weather, and I wound up alone with my HS French and worry about losing my hotel reservation in Florence. Believing the AmEx hype about their global service I confidently went to an AmEx office where, despite all arrangements having been made via AmEx, the response was basically a dismissive "What do you want us to do?" (I cancelled my Amex account shortly thereafter and have never rejoined.) Roaming the rue I saw a mom and pop travel agency, went in to plead my case and with my rudimentary French and his less rudimentary English, everything was resolved - at no charge! This was way pre-internet; he gave me a copy of the hotel's acknowledgment of the telex message that my arrival would be delayed one day but not to cancel, told me to hang on to it because the hotel will probably say they never received it. That's exactly what happened! So I enjoyed an extra day in Paris and fell deeply in love with the place.

I actually cannot recall how many times I've visited. When we began (20+ years ago!) the tradition of a HS graduation trip for nieces/nephews it was Paris, later expanding to add an additional city but almost always including Paris. I have adored everything from street food to five star dining, from BHV and Tati to Hermès. For many years we would visit over Thanksgiving, and once or twice for New Year/ St Sylvestre Day. We have not been to Paris since COVID, and are scheduled to go this Thanksgiving. I am so eager to see the restored Notre Dame cathedral!

So, what would totally rule out Paris for me? Maybe a recurrence of bubonic plague.

ANUJ Aug 10th, 2025 08:31 PM

As a tourist, Paris remains one of our most visited cities in the world. It's hard to resist Paris, though the prohibitively high cost of accomodation (hotels, apartments etc.) these days is certainly a dampener.

Travel_Nerd Aug 10th, 2025 09:04 PM

"Paris is always a good idea." Sabrina

Paris is the reason why I travel. It is the only city (outside my immediate area in CA) that I have been to more times than any other. Los Angeles can't say that - of course there is no comparison.

While I have been able to travel to many places and although Italy and Croatia seemed to have found themselves my soul (corny!), Paris will always have my heart (more corny!).

And I can't think of any deal breakers - for me - that could actually keep me from the city. As I am in the midst of planning another trip and the plans have shifted focus from Italy back to France for a familial connection, Paris has weaved it's magic on me once again, and I cannot wait for what awaits.

All prose aside, I have to adjust my expectations. With it being such a popular destination and how it has changed since I last vistited in 2013, there will be no more Versailles, Louvre or trip up the Tower. I'm planning to be much less quintessential, more deliberate. And yet, also very open to what may come, those little surprises that the city can do.

I would rather see Paris in the worst of conditions than not to visit it at all.

WeisserTee Aug 10th, 2025 09:10 PM

I can't think of anything that would be a Paris-specific dealbreaker. Our main travel disrupter would be a strong heat wave, but we avoid traveling anywhere in summer as much as possible.

Traviata Aug 11th, 2025 06:03 AM

We have been in Paris during Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, Yellow Vests...... and the Notre Dame fire.......it would take a lot to keep us away.......as soon as we leave, we are already planning the next time!

flygirl Aug 11th, 2025 08:28 AM

Many years I go to Paris twice a year. Put me in the "wild horses cannot keep me away" camp.

Traviata Aug 11th, 2025 09:30 AM

flygirl....we are of the same mind....cannot wait to see you there!!!

natylou Aug 11th, 2025 09:44 AM

A lot of our younger friends do not care for Paris. Maybe it is because they don't have the nostalgic feelings to fall back on.

My first thoughts of Paris always throw back to our first visit when a handsome French businessman directed us on a shortcut through Parc Monceau. At the time, it was May and there were huge rose bushes on either side of the many benches in the park. There was barely a soul in the Park and it was beautiful and magical.

Every visit, we walk through that park, and though everything around and in the park has changed, it still brings back great memories.

As some have noted above, though, the cost of lodging, and the (lack of) quality of food, the inaccessibility of some museums because of overtourism....these things did make me think we will not go back to Paris for awhile. There are so many other places yet to see.

MrBrianMGibbs Aug 11th, 2025 04:58 PM

Climate change maybe
 
My inclination was to answer as so many others have to this thread already--that nothing would constitute a deal-breaker for Paris. However, rising summertime temperatures and more frequent and severe heatwaves might. With a school-age child to consider, really the best times for us to travel are during summer vacations. We visited Paris this last June during a drawn-out heatwave that saw temperatures in the mid- to high-nineties farenheit each day. We still enjoyed Paris and made the best of it I think but the heat diminished our enjoyment. I remember how one afternoon walking along the Seine or merely trying to cross the river represented a small ordeal. Passing out of the shadow of buildings and being subject to the heat and fierce sun of midday was not fun.

Christina Aug 12th, 2025 01:44 PM

I've been going to Paris for decades and in fact, studied there in several schools on multiple summers (French as well as piano studies), so it has a different meaning for me. I don't do typical tourist stuff nor stay in the main tourist areas (of course I usually visit my favorite museums or sites, maybe 1-2 per visit). But in recent years, I have been getting a little bummed out about it and it's just not the same, so hard to tell. I could see losing interest as I kind of have for Barcelona due to overtourism. I hate that my favorite places are gone, that tourists are roaming in crowds areas that didn't used to have them, that tourists do things that negatively affect traffic (like touristy scenic car rides around the center, and wanting to take private cars like Ubers everywhere) and the environment. I'm not a big fan of a lot of tourists, like that stupid lovelock bridge, stuff like that. I don't understand the tourist cult of going places which can't really mean much to them or do they even know what it means historically (i.e., Shakespeare & Co, the catacombes, etc.) I remember when nobody went to the catacombes, I visited decades ago for historical reasons but somehow it became some tourist thing where they go because it is "spooky", which I find disrespectful to the dead.. but somehow these things come up on their radar, I'm not even sure how. Why is Shakespeare & Co so revered? Some of my favorite bookstores are gone, which is true anywhere, of course. Like La Hune which sold out to Louis Vuitton on bd St Germain. OF course that was over a decade, ago. There are still a few news kiosks where I stay, thank goodness. Climate change has affected my trips as I used to go every summer and it was almost always less hot than where I live in the US, but not now. I was listing to this BBC interview of the last news hawker in Paris, and he described St Germain pretty well, hot it used to be and now is "just a tourist-town". https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx0vvpeq9wo

gomiki Aug 12th, 2025 03:43 PM

It was 95 degrees F in Paris today. I can't imagine how unpleasant that would be.

Christina, good post.

Weekender Aug 13th, 2025 08:45 AM

I have been to Paris at least 50 times and it will never lose its allure to me.

starrs Aug 13th, 2025 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Weekender (Post 17672994)
I have been to Paris at least 50 times and it will never lose its allure to me.

Weekender, you are so very lucky! :heart:

MaineGG Aug 13th, 2025 10:08 AM

I share many of Christina's thoughts and concerns but I could still happily spend a week or two in and around Paris. There are so many other less touristy neighborhoods in the city and plenty of interesting sites both in and around the city that are accessible with a Navigo pass (or whatever the current version of that pass is called now).

Two years ago, we walked by Shakespeare & Co. and I was surprised to see a long line of people waiting to enter the store. We had never seen that before.





kerouac Aug 13th, 2025 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by gomiki (Post 17672853)
It was 95 degrees F in Paris today. I can't imagine how unpleasant that would be.
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I learned to sweat in Asia and still loved it, so sweating in Europe is just a new learning curve. :)

RobertaL Aug 17th, 2025 04:06 PM

Paris took a hold of my heart decades ago and I will never let it go. It began during the early Fodor days which included "GraceJoan" as my guide-turned-friend (the OG's on this forum may know who I'm referring to). To this day, a Paris getaway is mandatory once a year. I feel comfortable there. Paris is easy and beautiful. I can't imagine any deal breaker scenario.

denisea Aug 17th, 2025 05:01 PM

I love Paris. It’s been several years so we’ve been but I do miss it and have wonderful memories of our trips to Paris. And I know I’ll be back there.

I’m would not go anywhere where there is significant civil unrest terrorist activity or military action. True for Paris or anywhere.

rouelan Aug 18th, 2025 03:33 AM

I have been living in Paris for more than 40 years (once full time, now part time) and I cant think of leaving it.
Even if some new things can make it less pleasant than it was.
As mentionned, global warming. Paris is mineral. Most tourists will however stay in hotels with aircon but summer in appartments can be unpleasant.
Traffic: Mme Hidalgo's policy to ban cars is brave but, I think, a failure. Paris has become a jungle with bicycles, mopeds and scooters. Rue de Rivoli is on par with Shanghai's bund.
Buses: It used to be a pleasure to ride buses in Paris but the system never fully recovered from COVID with less frequent services and traffic jams (see above).

MmePerdu Aug 18th, 2025 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by gomiki (Post 17672853)
It was 95 degrees F in Paris today. I can't imagine how unpleasant that would be.

95? How about 122?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/18/world/europe/france-heat-wave-paris-climate-change-planning.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fE8.Vb7h.bca 3ZPKrbN4h&smid=url-share

Eta: Sorry it didn't link properly. Interesting article worth copying & pasting.


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