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JLM Apr 13th, 2004 01:41 PM

Paris Trip Report 4/2-8
 
I searched this board for lots of information about my trip to Paris 4/2-8, so here is a brief run down of our experiences to help others in the future. (Forgive my spelling errors; I don?t have my guide book with me and French spelling doesn?t come naturally to me.)

Airports/Getting into and out of town: We flew United for the first time (usually fly Air France into CDG 2) and landed in CDG 1. When we arrived, the two arrival level ATMs were out of service. Luckily I had printed out a map of the terminal from the ADP Web site and knew that there was an ATM on the Boutique level. If you have to go to that level, follow the directions at the elevators as not all elevators go to the right place on the Boutique level to get you where you need to go (we ended up in the parking garage on the first try). The Boutique level ATM had plenty of euros. However, if arriving to out of service ATMs makes you nervous or cranky, just get enough euros to cover your taxi ride (50-60) before you leave home (I will next time; CDG 1 on jet lag was no party for me). Because it took us so long to get money, there was no line for taxis and we hopped right in and were on our way. But not so fast. It took an hour and a half to get from CDG to the 6th. The folks at our hotel told us that a recent change of one lane on the road to a dedicated bus lane has made the traffic much worse (last year the ride took about an hour). Which brings me to the return trip. The taxi ride to the airport took a mere half hour. Go figure. That put us at the airport 3 hours in advance. Which actually turned out to be a good thing as it took us 1 hour and 45 minutes to reach the gate. I?m not sure if it was a United thing or heightened security, but the most significant part of the process was getting past the first hurdle at United: a ?security? booth where we were asked about our bags and how and by whom they were packed. This occurred before we even got to the ticket counter to check in and the lines were divided by destination. Seemed like an inefficient set up to me, but I?m not a security expert, right? Note for you duty-free shoppers: all of the duty-free shops are after you move into the ?satellite? system, but before you go through security, so be sure to get your fill as there will be no around-the-gate browsing once you get past security.

Accommodations: Hotel de Fleurie, which was perfectly fine and met one of my two primary criteria: it was clean. It fell down a bit on the quiet criterion, however, mostly due to American tourists stomping up and down steps and slamming doors as they talked with each other at the top of their voices across the halls as if they were standing in their kitchen and calling out to Junior in the den. Yes, the room is small, but quaint, and having the toilet separate from the shower is nice if you?re sharing a room. The staff was friendly and helpful. Last trip we stayed at the Artus and it was blissfully clean and quiet, although more expensive. Next time, I?ll eat the extra euros and stay at the Artus.

Some activities:

Paris Walks. We found the recommendation in our Rick Steves book. We took three: Napoleon at the Invalides, Art Nouveau Walk, and The French Revolution. All were interesting and got us to places off our beaten path and gave us a fuller picture than we probably would have gotten on our own. If I had to lose one, it would be the one on the French Revolution. While there were a few interesting tid bits we didn?t know, most of the tour is about structures that no longer exist and the guide took us to two sites that were not open to the public and we were kicked out, which was interesting but strange. However, you get more than your 10 euros worth on these tours.

The Cluny. An interesting hodge podge of a collection. It only took about an hour for us so while it wasn?t the most exciting museum (to us, of course; I?m sure it has its fans) it merits a look see if only for the Roman baths and the heads of the kings from Notre Dame.

The jardins. We walked through the Tuileries and the Luxembourg. Both are stunning, but the Lux was my favorite. And the flowers were starting to bloom so it was all the more enjoyable.

Catacombs. This was recommended to us by a friend who said it was a must see. My husband now agrees. It is astounding to see all of the bones, so artfully arranged. After a while I became numb to them and it started to seem like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean at Disney. We took a small flashlight which was nice to have to illuminate some of the darker niches, but optional if you don?t want to travel with one.

Grand Magasins. We went to Galeries Lafayette on the last day of one of their sales. While there were some discounts of 30-40%, the prices were still too much for me to justify. I?ll just have to wait until my discount designer dreams make it to the outlet mall next season (which they inevitably do; I get great bargains on the very things I saw in Europe). Bon Marche was fun for a tour and some Diptyque candles, but its real attraction is its Grand Epicerie ? the site of many of our snacks and on-the-run meals. However, my favorite was BHV. It doesn?t seem to be marketed to tourists as heavily but it is unlike the other department stores in that it is part traditional department store, part Lowes/Home Depot, part Container Store, part arts & crafts store ? well you get the idea. It has about anything you?d ever want and you could certainly blow several hours in there just looking around. We even bought a phone there (which works at home, thank goodness).

The Marais and Place des Vosges. We spent an afternoon walking around with our guide book. Here?s another neighborhood that I could enjoy for much more time than I had. Paris Walks had Marais tours but we could never make them fit into our schedule.

Pompidou Centre. While we didn?t visit any exhibits this time, I always like to stop by the fountain outside and then go in to the cafeteria, order a kir, and do some of the best people watching in Paris.

Tall places. We stopped by the Montparnasse Tower on the way home from the catacombs. (Transportation note: if possible, you may do more walking in the Montparnasse metro than in Chatelet/Les Halles.) It was a great view and certainly worth a stop if it?s on the way to or from somewhere. But before we left home a friend said that we really needed to go to the top of the Arc de Triomphe. And I thought, why? Well, as he said, from the top of the A de T, suddenly the lay out of Paris becomes completely clear. The towers (Eiffel and Montparnasse), the Samaratine, etc., are just too tall or aren?t in the center of an etoile for you to fully appreciate the city. So my recommendation: if you can only go to the top of one thing, make it the Arc de Triomphe. True, it?s 284 steps, but there are small landings on the way if you need to catch your breath and the stairs are modern and evenly spaced which makes it easier to me. The duomo in Florence still stands as the least favorite climb for me to date (uneven steps, tight spiral staircases, etc.).

Musee Rodin. This was a drive by for us given our schedule, but I could have spent days here. The works are amazing and the gardens are meant for picnicking or just peaceful meditation.

Food. Our schedules get all out of whack so we?re never hungry at the right times, so we don?t do fine dining really. We?re also content to grab a sandwich or a quiche in a museum cafeteria to keep us going. Then there?s always the crepe stand by the St. Germain metro that we hit several times in a visit. We didn?t eat the hotel breakfast. It was 10 euros for the same thing we got for 6 euros or less elsewhere. Mostly we ate our breakfasts at Paul, where we got a croissant, flute, fresh oj, and café crème/tea/hot chocolate for 6 euros. One day my husband had two eggs added and it came to 8 euros. (A note about the service at Paul: it?s very hit or miss, so if you?re in a hurry you may want to try elsewhere. We got wise and started bringing exact change with us to at least eliminate some of the time at the end of the meal when we were ready to move on. And I don?t think this was a case of our being culturally different. One day an elderly French man nearly had a stroke trying to get one of the servers to pay attention to him.) Other days we went to Gerard Mulot and had a croissant and coffee for 3 euros (okay, I?m a rogue: the croissants at Mulot didn?t taste any better to me than anywhere else). I?ll put in another rave for the Grand Epicerie for great picnic makings and food gifts for home. Monoprix also served us well in that department. My favorite real meal (which we indulged in twice ) was at the Relais de L? Entrecote. I can taste the steak and frites now. If you go, don?t be afraid to try the house red wine ? it?s quite tasty. Café Bonaparte was a nice place for a bowl of soup or an omelet. Laduree was a last stop for us to pick up meringues for gifts and pay homage in the tea salon where we had sinful tarts and hot chocolate that tasted like pudding (no dinner necessary that night). An interesting dining out tid bit: in a week?s worth of eating out, 3 of our bills had errors (2 in our favor) and we received incorrect change once (again, in our favor). So, check your bills and change.

The Metro. Loved it and took it everywhere except the airport. Got by with carnets of tickets. And, we actually encountered a ticket check point in the system where fines were being doled out for those without proper tickets, so if you?ve been thinking that ticket checking on the Metro is a myth I can attest that it?s true.

We survived without any pick pocket attempts or episodes with doggie doodle on our shoes. For you shoe researchers, I wore a pair of Dansko professional clogs which I alternated with a pair of Bass walking shoes, both of which served me well. My husband always buys Bata shoes when he?s there and wears them around (and manages not to get blisters breaking in new shoes, lucky guy). As for wardrobe, I employed my usual disposable wardrobe system (I take clothes that are on their ?last wear? and just leave them there) and boy were we glad that I did as I filled up my suitcase with our goodies from the Grand Epicerie that we might not have gotten home (easily) otherwise.

I?ve gone on quite a bit so I?ll give it a rest. Please let me know if you have any questions; I?m happy to provide any help that I can to repay my debt to the Fodorites who provided me with great info.

ilovetulips Apr 13th, 2004 02:00 PM

This may be a silly question but how readily available are public restrooms? Do you have to pay for them and how much?

adrienne Apr 13th, 2004 02:14 PM

There are free-standing public toilets all over Paris. Don't know the cost since I've never used one.

You can also use the toilets in cafes. If there is a charge it's usually 40cents (have coin available).

Museums will always have rest rooms as will many major sights such as the Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame.

It's never been a problem.

adrienne Apr 13th, 2004 02:19 PM

JLM - thanks for your thoughtful report. It looks like you enjoyed your trip. I'm sorry you weren't thrilled with the Cluny Museum - it's one of my favorites. Did you see the Lady and the Unicorn tapestries?

By the way - the Arch of Triumph has an elevator. You have to buy a ticket but it's worth it. It takes you up to the museum level and then it's only 1 flight to the observation deck. I agree that this is a fabulous view; standing in the middle of l'Etoile.

Paris Walks are great. You did 3 that I've never done. I would love to do the Art Nouveau walk. Can you give any details? Thanks.

craisin Apr 13th, 2004 02:30 PM

IMHO, restrooms are fairly well-located and abundant in Paris. But, a good rule of thumb is to use the restrooms at a museum/restaurant, where they are usually free and clean, before you leave even if you don't feel like you have to go yet--something will come out! I made a mistake of not doing that once and I was perfectly fine until I was at the Parc du Champ de Mars. It was soooo cold then...the parc was relatively quiet and empty. So, I asked a couple of people in my wobbly French but they didn't know where the toilettes were. They probably thought I was a loon or something because by then it got so bad that I was starting to walk funny. But, it was a happy ending--Alas, I found an underground pay restroom! I don't remember how much money I hastily dropped on the little old lady's hand, but, boy, was I relieved!


Steveboy Apr 13th, 2004 02:40 PM

Another vote for Le Grand Epicerie. We liked it so much that we stocked up on cheese and meats for the flight back to the states. You should have seen the envy in the eyes of our fellow passengers as they poked at their pimento loaf.

grantop Apr 13th, 2004 04:17 PM

Great report, thanks for sharing! I had the opposite experience at the Cluny - I went in fully expecting it to be just 'ok' and I ended up loving it, so you just never know. I'm envious of the walks you took - we did a few last time but I could have easily done more. You walk by beautiful, interesting buildings and locations all over Paris, but when you follow one of the organized walks you really learn a lot about the city.

Where is Artus? I'm not familiar with it, and I always like to add to my Paris Hotel Notes.

PS ilovetulips: the large department stores are also good restroom stops.

JLM Apr 13th, 2004 04:57 PM

Sounds like I need to give the Cluny another try!

Ilovetulips: Looks like you received lots of info. from others regarding the restrooms. I was lucky enough to time everything so that I could use restrooms at museums and restaurants. All were free. My husband and I kept daring each other to use the free-standing public toilets, but neither of us ever did. They were 40 cents (euro) each.

Adrienne: Good to know about the elevator at the Arc de Triomphe. I thought I read somewhere that it was only for the disabled so I didn?t even give it a try, but I?ll know better next time. The Paris Walks Art Nouveau tour was in the 16th district, which is mostly residential so it was also nice to see a part of Paris that I might have never seen. Our guide focused his walk on the buildings of Guimard (the man who designed the Metro exits), in chronological order. We were very lucky because we were able to tour a Guimard house that is rarely open to the public that just happened to be open for an art exhibit the day of our tour. While our guide said that his mission was to ?defend? Art Nouveau, he progressed us through Art Deco to Le Corbusier (we went to the Le Corbusier Foundation and one other house) and Mallet Stevens (who I had not had the pleasure of knowing about before the tour). My husband is the one who recently got the design bug, but it was thoroughly enjoyable to me as well. And our guide, Peter Caine, was quite knowledgeable and entertaining.

Grantop: The Artus is at 34 Rue de Buci, just a few blocks from the Hotel de Fleurie where we stayed this time. I think it used to be called the Buci Latin, so you may know it by that name. Here?s the Web address: http://www.artushotel.com/fr/




grantop Apr 13th, 2004 06:08 PM

JLM - Thanks!

francophile03 Apr 13th, 2004 06:15 PM

JLM, you mentioned about UAL asking security questions before you reached the ticket agent. I experienced the same thing at CDG also with UAL last month. I think it's just their routine security procedure nowadays. It really does not take long.

SUNSHINE1223 Apr 13th, 2004 06:45 PM

Thanks for your update. It was enjoyable to read. I like American terminal better than United and it is very easy to get through.

As for restrooms we either made sure we went in the restaurant that we ate in or else stopped by a hotel and used theirs.


Iregeo Apr 13th, 2004 08:50 PM

Hi JLM. Looks like we were in Paris at the same time! I enjoyed your report, and am smacking my lips thinking about the steak and fries at Relais de l'Entrecote! Glad you had a good time!

ira Apr 14th, 2004 05:24 AM

Hi JLM,

Thanks for an interesting report.

dln Apr 14th, 2004 06:02 AM

Thanks JLM for all the useful information you've packed into your report! We are going to Paris for the first time in over a decade and what you've written will really help us out. I'm glad you had such an enjoyable time.

snshine Apr 14th, 2004 06:39 AM

We will be in Paris early May, can hardly wait. What is the address of Le Grande Epicerie? Sounds like a place we need to visit!!
Thanks.

cigalechanta Apr 14th, 2004 08:17 AM

JLM, thanks, you hit all the highlights, you had a wonderful time and you shared it all with us.

JLM Apr 14th, 2004 10:07 AM

Glad to be of help.

Snshine: The address for La Grande Epicerie is 38, rue de Sèvres - 75007. Here is the Web address so you can start dreaming now: http://www.lagrandeepicerie.fr/index_en.asp

adrienne Apr 14th, 2004 06:20 PM

Thanks for the description of the Art Nouveau walk. I'm hoping it's offered next time I'm in Paris.

I also like the meal at Relais de l'Entrecote. I didn't realize they serve half the meal and then come back and give you the other half!

I can't wait to return to Paris.

MelissaHI Apr 14th, 2004 08:33 PM

JLM, I'm bummed out--looks like you and elle were in Paris the same time as me! I wish I had tried to coordinate a GTG. Glad you had a good time tho.


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