Paris tipping hotel maids
Jul 30th, 2015, 05:19 AM
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"I do wonder why non locals feel they can lecture locals on what to tip .. fascinating."
Justineparis, I have searched these couple hundred posts and can't find what you are talking about. What "non local" here has "lectured" locals on what THEY should tip? None, that I can find. On the other hand there are plenty of "locals" who DO LECTURE non locals NOT to tip anything at all even if they want to and the local servers very well may not only appreciate it, but even expect it from tourists.
It's been said many times before. But NOT tipping when it is the norm for the area is UNFORGIVEABLE. Tipping something by an outsider when it is not the norm for locals to do it -- is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Or another way to put it -- it's way better to overtip than to undertip.
Justineparis, I have searched these couple hundred posts and can't find what you are talking about. What "non local" here has "lectured" locals on what THEY should tip? None, that I can find. On the other hand there are plenty of "locals" who DO LECTURE non locals NOT to tip anything at all even if they want to and the local servers very well may not only appreciate it, but even expect it from tourists.
It's been said many times before. But NOT tipping when it is the norm for the area is UNFORGIVEABLE. Tipping something by an outsider when it is not the norm for locals to do it -- is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Or another way to put it -- it's way better to overtip than to undertip.
Jul 30th, 2015, 05:28 AM
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"Being condescendant (?) and arrogant is quite easy."
Yes, it is. You mean like suggesting repeatedly "I don't tip, therefore ALL Europeans don't tip. How arrogant is that?
It doesn't make any difference how many months I've stayed in Paris, how often I go, or how many Europeans I've talked with. I DO KNOW that some French people DO leave tips in some restaurants in France -- like 5 to 10% just like many Americans (note I didn't say ALL, the way you'd do.)
Please, parsiwat, get over yourself pretending that whatever YOU do is exactly what every other Eurpean does. That's true arrogance!
Yes, it is. You mean like suggesting repeatedly "I don't tip, therefore ALL Europeans don't tip. How arrogant is that?
It doesn't make any difference how many months I've stayed in Paris, how often I go, or how many Europeans I've talked with. I DO KNOW that some French people DO leave tips in some restaurants in France -- like 5 to 10% just like many Americans (note I didn't say ALL, the way you'd do.)
Please, parsiwat, get over yourself pretending that whatever YOU do is exactly what every other Eurpean does. That's true arrogance!
Jul 30th, 2015, 05:41 AM
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Don't understand you. They work, don't they, so why not claim more money ?
Anyone can argue they deserve more money, That isn't the same as saying their arguments have merit.
There is another way to ensure that everybody gets money according to their needs and merits, that is called Communism.
You don't understand what communism is or how it works.
Proof that it works is that nobody really goes on strike in communist countries/times.
That isn't actually true.
Roma who are bandits are illegally in France.
I'm quite aware of the distinctions the French (and other Europeans) use to justify treating the Roma like dirt. Thank you for confirming that for me.
Anyone can argue they deserve more money, That isn't the same as saying their arguments have merit.
There is another way to ensure that everybody gets money according to their needs and merits, that is called Communism.
You don't understand what communism is or how it works.
Proof that it works is that nobody really goes on strike in communist countries/times.
That isn't actually true.
Roma who are bandits are illegally in France.
I'm quite aware of the distinctions the French (and other Europeans) use to justify treating the Roma like dirt. Thank you for confirming that for me.
Jul 30th, 2015, 06:10 AM
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Gourmet
What did I confirm ?
Saying that the Romas who steal in France are mostly illegally in France is treating them like dirt ??
My.
I won't comment on Mexicans illegally in US and how Trump calls them.
I hope you tip the guys who bring them back to the border.
Generously.
What did I confirm ?
Saying that the Romas who steal in France are mostly illegally in France is treating them like dirt ??
My.
I won't comment on Mexicans illegally in US and how Trump calls them.
I hope you tip the guys who bring them back to the border.
Generously.
Jul 30th, 2015, 06:17 AM
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What did I confirm ?
Saying that the Romas who steal in France are mostly illegally in France is treating them like dirt ??
You confirmed that, to you, Roma = thief.
To be clear, I don't blame you. It is part of the ("French") culture. Not a particularly appealing part of the culture, but part of the culture nonetheless.
I won't comment on Mexicans illegally in US and how Trump calls them.
You say that as if there wasn't widespread condemnation of Trump's remarks.
I hope you tip the guys who bring them back to the border.
You clearly aren't aware of my views on immigration.
Saying that the Romas who steal in France are mostly illegally in France is treating them like dirt ??
You confirmed that, to you, Roma = thief.
To be clear, I don't blame you. It is part of the ("French") culture. Not a particularly appealing part of the culture, but part of the culture nonetheless.
I won't comment on Mexicans illegally in US and how Trump calls them.
You say that as if there wasn't widespread condemnation of Trump's remarks.
I hope you tip the guys who bring them back to the border.
You clearly aren't aware of my views on immigration.
Jul 30th, 2015, 06:40 AM
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>>>>>"What did I confirm ?
Saying that the Romas who steal in France are mostly illegally in France is treating them like dirt ??
My.
I won't comment on Mexicans illegally in US and how Trump calls them."
Well, if your goal was to come off being as big a______ (insert your own choice of word here) as Trump, then congratulations -- you have succeeded. But honestly -- matching Trump in descriptions of other people is your goal?
Saying that the Romas who steal in France are mostly illegally in France is treating them like dirt ??
My.
I won't comment on Mexicans illegally in US and how Trump calls them."
Well, if your goal was to come off being as big a______ (insert your own choice of word here) as Trump, then congratulations -- you have succeeded. But honestly -- matching Trump in descriptions of other people is your goal?
Jul 30th, 2015, 07:21 AM
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The hideous truth.
I was wondering what was wrong here.
I Foudn out that there are North Koreans in disguise here.
They are impersonating the worst kind of US characters... meanspirited people, acultured, showing no respect, shut off to any discussion and hammering their nasty thoughts as if it were the truth.
Their goal (yes there are several) : turn as many 'normal' people into US haters.
Each night, they send report to Pyong Yang stating their progress.
But I saw through it, because my heart is pure and I love Americans (US, Canadians, Mexicans... my love - as yours I'm sure - has no bounds).
And so now that their ploy is uncovered, I urge you all to not show hatred towards their poor creatures.
Life is not always easy and we must try to take them away from the meandering paths of darkness and guide them to the light.
Brothers ans sisters don't fall into that trap towards which I felt myself pushed...
US citizens are normal and nice people, don't mistake them with the evil that roams here from time to time.
Amen.
Shalom.
Inch Allah
(how de say in the coutnry of the Budhists ?).
Je me suis fait des amis ?
I was wondering what was wrong here.
I Foudn out that there are North Koreans in disguise here.
They are impersonating the worst kind of US characters... meanspirited people, acultured, showing no respect, shut off to any discussion and hammering their nasty thoughts as if it were the truth.
Their goal (yes there are several) : turn as many 'normal' people into US haters.
Each night, they send report to Pyong Yang stating their progress.
But I saw through it, because my heart is pure and I love Americans (US, Canadians, Mexicans... my love - as yours I'm sure - has no bounds).
And so now that their ploy is uncovered, I urge you all to not show hatred towards their poor creatures.
Life is not always easy and we must try to take them away from the meandering paths of darkness and guide them to the light.
Brothers ans sisters don't fall into that trap towards which I felt myself pushed...
US citizens are normal and nice people, don't mistake them with the evil that roams here from time to time.
Amen.
Shalom.
Inch Allah
(how de say in the coutnry of the Budhists ?).
Je me suis fait des amis ?
Jul 30th, 2015, 10:50 PM
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Namaste...
Here's the thing - travel has changed.
The trend over the last 10 years (mostly concerning North Americans) has been to "feel at home while you're away".
So, people stay in apartments rather than hotels, "grab" food (boy, do I hate that expression!) and eat on a park bench like homeless people, instead of sitting down sharing a meal in a restaurant.
The explanation given for this is that it makes vacations affordable, but I think there's a lot more to it than that.
I think that people who travel like this just want a sanitized, brief overview of a city - sort of like Cliff Notes, if anyone remembers those - and aren't really interested at all in the culture of the people who live there. The modern traveler tends to keep a safe distance away from the locals - maybe learning "a few basic words" of the language, but nothing about the culture, politics or history, other than snippets of fluff they might find online.
So, it follows that this same attitude carries over into areas like tipping - whether it's in restaurants or hotels.
Frankly, I don't see the rationale for spending thousands of dollars to travel to a foreign country if all you plan to do is behave exactly the way you do at home.
Here's the thing - travel has changed.
The trend over the last 10 years (mostly concerning North Americans) has been to "feel at home while you're away".
So, people stay in apartments rather than hotels, "grab" food (boy, do I hate that expression!) and eat on a park bench like homeless people, instead of sitting down sharing a meal in a restaurant.
The explanation given for this is that it makes vacations affordable, but I think there's a lot more to it than that.
I think that people who travel like this just want a sanitized, brief overview of a city - sort of like Cliff Notes, if anyone remembers those - and aren't really interested at all in the culture of the people who live there. The modern traveler tends to keep a safe distance away from the locals - maybe learning "a few basic words" of the language, but nothing about the culture, politics or history, other than snippets of fluff they might find online.
So, it follows that this same attitude carries over into areas like tipping - whether it's in restaurants or hotels.
Frankly, I don't see the rationale for spending thousands of dollars to travel to a foreign country if all you plan to do is behave exactly the way you do at home.
Jul 31st, 2015, 02:45 AM
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"The trend over the last 10 years (mostly concerning North Americans) has been to "feel at home while you're away"."
More hogwash. Travelers have been carrying "home" items for centuries for the sake of convenience. Do I dare mention wash cloths from 40 years ago, I still pack them. People like certain comforts from home. It's not an "American" thing, it's a human nature thing.
Technology is the newest trend, and more and more people can't leave their electronics home. And who can blame these travelers? Digital cameras these days will capture your trip and make you look like Ansel Adams without ever leaving Program Mode. Cell phones will not only help you make convenient phone calls, they'll help travelers with the local language and guide them with a map. And what business person can imagine traveling for business without some kind of laptop? Visual presentations these days are better than ever.
"people stay in apartments rather than hotels"
Perhaps it appears that way if the only time you spend on travel is a Fodor's thread battling lovers of AirBnB. Next thing you know, you'll be saying hotels are hurting and shutting their doors.
Apartment use has grown among middle class travelers mostly, particularly families. Some people really do need more room and a kitchen at an affordable price. It's not the travelers fault that hotels don't accommodate their needs. Apartments have always been the preference among "slow" travelers. Who wants to stay in a hotel for a month? Convenience and cost matters to everyone.
"eat on a park bench like homeless people, instead of sitting down sharing a meal in a restaurant."
You're a negative ninny. Many of us travelers love to do both. Grabbing a sandwich for lunch on a sunny day near the fresh flower stalls in Union Square Park is one of my favorite get-away moments. What sane person wants to sit in a restaurant for every meal, every day while traveling? Travelers can save a lot of money by grabbing a sandwich on a park bench, and the experience can be very "local."
"The explanation given for this is that it makes vacations affordable, but I think there's a lot more to it than that."
Not much more than that. You just like to hear yourself talk.
"I think that people who travel like this just want a sanitized, brief overview of a city"
Not really. People who travel on a budget, which is the bulk of people asking questions on this particular board, want to cram as much as they can into their trips to get the most bang for their buck. It's the nature of having limited time, limited resources. Nothing to do with Cliff Notes.
"aren't really interested at all in the culture of the people who live there"
You talk as if culture doesn't change. You talk like a grumpy, whiny old fart. Oh dear, nobody's interested in what you have to say. Well, try saying something positive.
"So, it follows that this same attitude carries over into areas like tipping"
LOL. What's really sad to me is you probably believe your own bs.
If I listened to the so-called French locals on the this board, I would never want to visit France. These folks sound nothing like the French people I know and love.
See you all next month. I have to go and try to squeeze my favorite living room chair into my carry on.
More hogwash. Travelers have been carrying "home" items for centuries for the sake of convenience. Do I dare mention wash cloths from 40 years ago, I still pack them. People like certain comforts from home. It's not an "American" thing, it's a human nature thing.
Technology is the newest trend, and more and more people can't leave their electronics home. And who can blame these travelers? Digital cameras these days will capture your trip and make you look like Ansel Adams without ever leaving Program Mode. Cell phones will not only help you make convenient phone calls, they'll help travelers with the local language and guide them with a map. And what business person can imagine traveling for business without some kind of laptop? Visual presentations these days are better than ever.
"people stay in apartments rather than hotels"
Perhaps it appears that way if the only time you spend on travel is a Fodor's thread battling lovers of AirBnB. Next thing you know, you'll be saying hotels are hurting and shutting their doors.
Apartment use has grown among middle class travelers mostly, particularly families. Some people really do need more room and a kitchen at an affordable price. It's not the travelers fault that hotels don't accommodate their needs. Apartments have always been the preference among "slow" travelers. Who wants to stay in a hotel for a month? Convenience and cost matters to everyone.
"eat on a park bench like homeless people, instead of sitting down sharing a meal in a restaurant."
You're a negative ninny. Many of us travelers love to do both. Grabbing a sandwich for lunch on a sunny day near the fresh flower stalls in Union Square Park is one of my favorite get-away moments. What sane person wants to sit in a restaurant for every meal, every day while traveling? Travelers can save a lot of money by grabbing a sandwich on a park bench, and the experience can be very "local."
"The explanation given for this is that it makes vacations affordable, but I think there's a lot more to it than that."
Not much more than that. You just like to hear yourself talk.
"I think that people who travel like this just want a sanitized, brief overview of a city"
Not really. People who travel on a budget, which is the bulk of people asking questions on this particular board, want to cram as much as they can into their trips to get the most bang for their buck. It's the nature of having limited time, limited resources. Nothing to do with Cliff Notes.
"aren't really interested at all in the culture of the people who live there"
You talk as if culture doesn't change. You talk like a grumpy, whiny old fart. Oh dear, nobody's interested in what you have to say. Well, try saying something positive.
"So, it follows that this same attitude carries over into areas like tipping"
LOL. What's really sad to me is you probably believe your own bs.
If I listened to the so-called French locals on the this board, I would never want to visit France. These folks sound nothing like the French people I know and love.
See you all next month. I have to go and try to squeeze my favorite living room chair into my carry on.
Jul 31st, 2015, 04:16 AM
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So why do people travelling on a budget insist on wasting money on unnecessary and unexpected tips?
"Not much more than that. You just like to hear yourself talk."
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
"Not much more than that. You just like to hear yourself talk."
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
