We also had a great experiences renting through Just France.

For the record, I have been reading the site for over 6 months and decided to just recently chime in. I am not a TA plant, an apartment owner (I wish), an ex Fodorite,or an 18 year old. Pretty amusing all the theories.

I have no motivation other than to throw my perspective out there. I have been reading this site and TA for quite a while, so I am familiar with many names and the posts that helped me to develop my opinion. Sorry, when I read a post about someone slamming someone who wants to see the ET or someone else talking about tourist who eat pastries, or using the snark about "living like a local" it sounds pretty anti-tourist to me. And reading this thread just felt like it was about time I said my piece..

Also I don't have my head in the sand about apartments- they are illegal I get it.. but as I pointed out many have had issues with apartments long before all the raids came up. Some talked of my motivation, it makes me question others motivation for being so negative about apartment rental beyond the illegal aspect.

Bella; You have arisen the same naysayers forever, so don't fret.

These same people that have been on many threads confusing people when renting an apartment in Paris.

Of course they are the so called 'pure people' having never done anything wrong outside of the box.

They are cream of the crop, one might say. lol

We rented an apartment in July and it was wonderful.

It is my impression that Paris Vacation Apartment to owns their apartments. In fact, Alex told me that his family bought the entire five story, original Palais Royal townhouse. He's also given me the legal registration info (for lack of the proper term, I'm not a lawyer) that they have registered. So I feel comfortable renting from them. They do have some in the 6th, if you're interested.

<i>These same people that have been on many threads confusing people when renting an apartment in Paris.</i>

An intriguing statement. Are we to understand that some vacation apartments are less illegal than are others? That does sound confusing.

<i>Alex told me that his family bought the entire five story, original Palais Royal townhouse.</i>

It is indeed possible for someone to purchase an entire building, apply to the Marie to have it converted into commercial property, insure the building as commercial property, collect and pay taxes on building revenues, and be within full compliance of French law.

I assume that Alex´s business is called Paris Vacation Apartments and he has a building in the 6th. I don´t live too far from the Marie of the 6ème arrondissement. If you like I could walk over this afternoon and start an inquiry as to the status of these apartments? It would certainly eliminate all speculation.

Ah Bella

Why do I imagine you for the last 6 months, lurking on forums, taking notes on who says what...
And in your first post, instead of blending in nicely, you bite everybody.

But at least you get Iris' attention.

Asinus asinum fricat ?

Bella - there are many laws in Paris. NOT ONE of them says that anybody has to like tourists. Some of my best friends are tourists. Hell I've even been a tourist myself, lots of times. Get over your self righteousness. If you have something concrete to add to the discussion about apartments, that could be helpful. But nobody cares what you think about he said / she said or any of that other crap because that isn't the issue.

Gee, Manouche. That post *almost* makes it sound like you're the self-appointed hall monitor of Fodor's. I would say get over your own self first. Then sling those arrows.

Agree Happygoin; Paristwat, Sarasto and Manouche; Same old, same old as they are Fodor's self appointed monitors for Paris apartments.

It's always the scare tactics. Never comment on some of these web sites they criticize that are attempting to work with the city of Paris officials

In every walk of life we have these naysayers that care not about seeing city laws work, but are the obstructionists.

Then of course, they try to naturalize people that do not agree with them with crass comments.

They have made many lovely comments about me, but I just consider the source.

No prob Iris.

You do seem like a man on a crusade and you never listen to anything : I did several comment on your idiocy of 'these sites collaborate with the city of Paris'. That's not the issue but you stick to it...

Si en plus d'être borné, vous ne savez pas lire ce qu'on vous dit, on est vraiment mal barrés.

<i>Never comment on some of these web sites they criticize that are attempting to work with the city of Paris officials</i>

What websites?

The law that defines illegal apartment rentals has absolutely nothing to do with websites and originates at the national government level, NOT with the city of Paris.

You might be referring to Airbnb´s recent talks with the city of Paris in reference to Airbnb´s, and other agencies, responsibility to collect the <i>taxe de séjour</i> on the revenues they receive from renters, at least some of which are perfectly legal activities. But these talks had nothing to do with changing or negotiating any aspect of national rental law.

The city of Paris is the enforcer of the law, but the city did not write the law ALUR, nor can the city change the law. There has been a court challenge to certain aspects of the law ALUR by those with a financial interest in these changes but nothing has yet been determined other than the law stands as written.

I do not like to see a thread, which can be very useful to travelers, reduced to name calling. Threads of this type are much more substantive if comments are based upon fact or at least well informed opinion and much less useful when contributions are emotionally charged and aimed only at undermining the statements of our fellow posters.

Iris - how do you naturalize people ???