paris and london are HOT!!! HOT HOt
Jul 25th, 2006, 12:25 PM
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Some of you people need to learn the difference between climate and weather.
Global warming advocates say the average weather is at most several degrees warmer now. If you insist that Paris is always 10 degrees warmer than normal, then you must find a different explanation than global warming. If the local microclimate is changing please find another explanation.
Don't forget that it is normal for near record highs to be set somewhere at any given time. That is called weather. And yes, I've suffered in the heat in Paris in the 1970's. It is no surprise that the royalty fled to the country in the summer.
Global warming advocates say the average weather is at most several degrees warmer now. If you insist that Paris is always 10 degrees warmer than normal, then you must find a different explanation than global warming. If the local microclimate is changing please find another explanation.
Don't forget that it is normal for near record highs to be set somewhere at any given time. That is called weather. And yes, I've suffered in the heat in Paris in the 1970's. It is no surprise that the royalty fled to the country in the summer.
Jul 25th, 2006, 01:21 PM
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Global warming advocates? I've never heard of anyone lobbying for raising the planet's temperature.
I don't think anyone doubts that Earth is heating up. What is conjectural is a) whether it's a normal swing or anthropogenic, and b) whether we can do anything about it.
If we can't, then the discussion will shift towards how high the levees around Manhattan and London will need to be.
I don't think anyone doubts that Earth is heating up. What is conjectural is a) whether it's a normal swing or anthropogenic, and b) whether we can do anything about it.
If we can't, then the discussion will shift towards how high the levees around Manhattan and London will need to be.
Jul 26th, 2006, 03:43 PM
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Europe, and particularly France, have heated up much more than the global average. Whether this is due to any man-made influence is a matter of great debate. Whether this is due to the more mild global warming of the planet is also open to debate.
The fact, however, is that France and some other parts of Europe have become amazingly hot in summer in a very short time (a few years)—comparable to Las Vegas, in fact. This is usually due to persistant high pressure systems off the coast that pump hot Saharan air up into Europe and lock out moisture. That these systems are more common and long-lasting than before is clear; <i>why</i> they are so is not. However, whatever the cause, Europe is getting very hot, very quickly.
The fact, however, is that France and some other parts of Europe have become amazingly hot in summer in a very short time (a few years)—comparable to Las Vegas, in fact. This is usually due to persistant high pressure systems off the coast that pump hot Saharan air up into Europe and lock out moisture. That these systems are more common and long-lasting than before is clear; <i>why</i> they are so is not. However, whatever the cause, Europe is getting very hot, very quickly.
Jul 26th, 2006, 05:30 PM
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I believe that it was in the 11th or 12th century when England was warm enough to grow fine wines. They were probably experiencing a warmer climate than we are right now. However, that came to an end when the Atlanticy Conveyor that Robespierre mentioned, stopped, and the "Little Ice Age" began. The same pattern will probably be repeated again. As to whether this is occurring because of natural climatological factors, human factors, or some combination of the two, I don't think anyone can say.
As to European cities, I think people are overlooking the effect of urban sprawl. There's a whole lot more concrete covering the Ile de France and the Home Counties than there was even 30 years ago, and that can't help but make it feel hotter.
As to European cities, I think people are overlooking the effect of urban sprawl. There's a whole lot more concrete covering the Ile de France and the Home Counties than there was even 30 years ago, and that can't help but make it feel hotter.
Jul 27th, 2006, 04:49 AM
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TWK - England produces some fine wines now - or so I am told. They certainly wine prizes at international events, particularly for the sparkling wines.
I cannot comment on taste, as my local vineyard's cheapest wine is almost 3 times the cost of a reasonable Australian or South African white.
I cannot comment on taste, as my local vineyard's cheapest wine is almost 3 times the cost of a reasonable Australian or South African white.
