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Overnight Inns or Towns Frankfurt to Switzerland and back again

Aug 8th, 2007, 09:04 AM
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Isn't this forum amazing??? I now know the bed I want to sleep in and the table for our lunch in a tiny village on the other side of the Atlantic!
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Aug 8th, 2007, 10:02 AM
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While it's true that you don't have a mountain view at the hotel's gardens, the food there was to die for! Oh well, as long as you experience the place! Hey, Rick and I have old knees, too. We're 56 and 52. (he looks good doesn't he?) I'm more inclined to hike UP and cable car DOWN. You can't believe all the OLD OLD people on the trails there. At one point, a lady said in French...move over and let the "babies" pass. Not young folks, babies! LOLOL! We hiked down the chestnut paths the first day. It wasn't really that steep, but it was a bit rocky. I understand those are some old Roman roads! Yes, you can take the bus back up into town. It's a beautiful walk. As Tuck mentioned, you can walk quite a way east of the village (that's where I got those long shots) as well. The Muottas Muragl hike I mentioned is not difficult and very popular with tourists. I do suggest taking the cable up and definitely down. That ride down from Alp Languard was fantastic! Nice to have a cold beer before the descent. I hate driving in other countries, but the bus does stop a lot on the way so go for it if you want to drive. Just learn the rules and pay attention on the switchbacks! HOOONNKKK!!!
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Aug 8th, 2007, 10:05 AM
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OOps....forgot to mention. The walk in the Val Tuoi is very pretty and very easy. We did it on our first day, jet lag and all. You pick up the trail at the end of town behind Hotel Piz Buin.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 10:08 AM
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You will be sorry if you miss Stein Am Rhein. There is no place else like it that I have seen. If you want to see our photos:

http://travel.webshots.com/album/554510509SyxotU

If you look at some of our other Germany albums you will find photos of Bad Wimpfen and Gengenbach.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 10:25 AM
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Lunch at TuckH's table, dinner in LLindaC's restaurant and hopefully that bed in Room #9! ( was there a view from that room?)

The Chestnut trail sounds possible. As long as it's not too steep, I don't think the rockiness is a problem. My sister-in-law has one really bad knee (she is planning her cortisone shot for just before this vacation!) so her's is the main "old knee" we're a little worried about. I know there will be many "OLDS" passing me on the trails!

The cable cars sound fantastic even if they are a little scary to me.......although maybe less so after a cold beer.............

I've driven in Germany and Austria twice, and last year in England, Wales and France. My darling husband (thank heavens!) is a great navigator, so that reduces my stress. The roads in Wales an England were incredibly narrow ..........however relatively level!



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Aug 8th, 2007, 02:32 PM
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Plans have changed a little. My husband's brother and his wife are not ever 100% positive when they can get a flight as she is a former Delta employee and they fly standby. So they will fly when they can and meet us in Grindelwald on the 20th. After 5 days in Grindelwald they will go with us to Guarda for 4 days, and we will all go to Weggis afterwards for a few days, then take them back to Zurich Airport.

After that my husband and I will stay one night in Gengenbach or ? on our way back to Darmstadt.

So now my husband and I will have the 17, 18 and 19 to "wander" by ourselves before we need to meet them in Grindelwald on the 20th.

Mon night the 17th from Darmstadt ~ stay in Meersburg or Lindau?

Then we'll head south on the east side of the Bodensee.

Should we stay somewhere along the way at some wonderful place or stay 2 nights in Soglio before we head to Grindelwald to meet them? ( we probably wouldn't get into Soglio until late afternoon, so it would be more like 2 nights and one full day)

I apologize if the timetable seems confusing, but I didn't want to go into long explanations, just need your continued input!


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Aug 10th, 2007, 07:25 AM
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I've been to Switzerland three times and can honestly say that Soglio is worth even a short visit. It's that special! Here is my report from Trip Advisor on the Hotel Salis.
http://tinyurl.com/2vs38u
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Aug 10th, 2007, 08:25 AM
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wrenwood - I hope you'll follow bettyk's advice and visit Stein am Rhein after you drop off your relatives at the airport on your way to Lake Constance.... Did you see the wonderful photos of Susan's "Trip Report Switzerland, July '07" ? That says it all
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Aug 10th, 2007, 08:27 AM
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PS - and yes, there's no reason NOT to drive up to Soglio.
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Aug 10th, 2007, 09:36 AM
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Definitely go to Soglio!

Btw, I second the recommendation of Gengenbach. Picturesque small town with vineyards right outside the city walls. Sept is a great time! We walked up to the northern vineyard and ate some Pinot Noir grapes ... (don't tell!)... delicious! ;-)

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Aug 10th, 2007, 11:33 AM
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Just came back from Guarda, Sent, Samnaun, Glurns and Müstair.

Guarda: Nice to walk through. Stop off at Hotel Meisse for a nice coffee. Unfortunately, I found the town to be closer to a museum or ghost town. I personally would not make it a base.

We continued our drive through Ardez and the other towns till we got to Scuol. A beautiful drive with a fairytale like charm.

We made Sent our base. I love this village. The locals and tourists gather on the main square. Children play in the streets. Farmers drive through the town. It's alive and beautiful. Sent has two hotels: Hotel Rezia and Pension Plaz. We stayed one night at each hotel and enjoyed both.

Hotel Rezia is larger (18 rooms) and it's breakfast offers a tiny bit more than Pension Plaza. Cost: SFr. 75.-- per person. We stayed on the top floor and it was quiet.

Pension Plaza is smaller (ten rooms) but cheaper: SFr. 50 per person. The rooms are newly renovated and the bathrooms were large. We would stay in Pension Plaza again because it's cheaper and quite nice.

Samnaun: A thriving tax-free village about 45 minutes from Martina. The road winds up and up into the mountains. Although it's a Swiss town, it has more of an Austrian feeling to it. The hotels are new and beautiful. Watches, cigarettes, cosmetics, sugar and gasoline are cheaper. We ate at Samnaunerhof and were in heaven. There is some nightlife in this village and lots of good shopping for above mentioned products.
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Aug 10th, 2007, 11:48 AM
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I am green of envy, schuler!!

Totally agree with you. Guarda is *way* too small and quiet for my taste. I prefer Scuol (also over Sent, which is a bit isolated for longer stays, I use to stay a week in a place when on vacation in Switzerland).

There is also a backpacker in Sent. Right next to the church and next to that lovely old restaurant (Chesa Veglia?).

Glad to hear the Pensiun Plaz is nice. I considered it a couple of times because of the low rates. What about Garni Muranza? Out of business?

Samnaun ... hm, too isolated for me, but good for skiing in winter. Yes, agree, very 'Austrian' ;-) That road up to Samnaun is fun, isn't it? I love it and drive it everytime I am in the area (for the cheap gas, of course, LOL).

Glad to hear from you, schuler. And sorry wrenwood, for hijacking your thread.

Ingo

PS: no comment on my favourite Val Müstair??
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Aug 10th, 2007, 12:16 PM
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Hello dear Ingo!

So nice to hear from someone with the same experiences! Yes, Sent is small but found it perfect for 3 days. Scuol definitely has more going on for longer stays. My cousin lives in Sent and so maybe that's why it feels a bit more special to us.

I rode my bike up to S-Charl, located way above Scuol. I was exhausted by the time we got up there but the restaurant at the end of the town made up for it all. A wonderful oasis of food and hospitality.

Glurns: We love this tiny walled town in Italy. It's small and has a bit of everything within it's walls: Nice restaurants, run-down barns with courtyards, beautiful old houses graced with old grape vines and authentic castle doors to drive through.

Val Müstair: I was really looking forward to this part. Unfortunately, we had a bit of bad luck here.

We chose to stay in Casa Chalavaina. I now know what Brad and Janet felt like in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Or being a visitor in the Addams Family. The hotel was built in 1300. The treaty of the Calven battle in 1499 was signed in this hotel. The rooms are bare and have old, antique furniture. The bathroom was fine. But the owner was a mixture of Fester and Lurch. He greeted us at the door, showed us our room and then sat down on an old table in the restaurant and told us what we could have for dinner. No reception, no written menu, no listed prices, nothing. You can still see the black walls of the original kitchen' as well as its original fireplace. We decided not to eat there because the owner rather spooked us. Breakfast was another experience. No buffet, no set table. The owner saw us coming and quickly put down a plate and cup in front of us. He brought us a basket of bread. Then he brought us some butter. Then a slice of cheese and then a some jam. Lastly, he brought us a bowl of plain yoghurt. No muesli, no meat, no fruit. I asked for a fruit tea and told I could either have Hagenbutten Tee or Schwarztee. My husband felt like he was reliving his military days all over again.

This hotel is listed in Karen Brown's book. I would not go to this hotel again although the history and experience is very unique.

The following day, we loaded our bikes onto the Postauto and rode up to the top of Ofenpass. We then headed towards Val Mora, a valley that could have been filmed in Brokeback Mountain. Gorgeous and untouched. The day started with sunshine and ended with sleet and rain.

I would like to go to Val Müstair again but next time we'll definitely go to another hotel. We are thinking of eventually doing the bike tour from Scuol - S-Charl - Val Müstair. I'll have to do a lot of training first.

What kind of experiences have you had in Val Müstair?
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Aug 10th, 2007, 02:09 PM
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Dear schuler! Great to hear from you. I am so sorry you had that bad experience in Müstair. My goodness! It's not a big surprise for me, though. I saw in a TV report about the Val Müstair exactly what you described about the Chesa Chavalaina - the very unusual and 'ancient' ambience, service and food. They put it in a nice way, as an adventure, but I said to myself that I would never stay there.

I have spent a couple of nights there some years ago, before the big renovations in the villages were done and the valley step by step became more popular. We stayed in the Hotel Stelvio in Sta. Maria. www.stelvio-hotel.ch if I recall correctly. It's clean, centrally located, has charm and the owners were very friendly. Food was very good. No complaints at all!

I did several hikes there. The Val Mora e.g. (HIKING!) And the panoramic hike half up along the northern slopes from Ofen Pass via Lü down to Sta. Maria. And I drove up to Umbrail Pass and Stelvio Pass then down via Trafoi and Müstair. Gorgeous - rivals the Susten, Furka, Grimsel tour.

I have done several excursions to Val Müstair while staying in the Engadin on several trips. A wonderful hike (or bike tour) is from Ofen Pass to S-charl, then by Postal bus to Scuol. I did that from Scuol, but it requires that you take an early train to Zernez, then bus to Ofen Pass.

I absolutely love the convent Müstair. The archeological restoration works are still going on (will for about 15 more years as I heard) but the nice thing is that you can see different things on the guided tours when you come back after five or six years. The first time I saw the abbot's rooms from centuries ago, last year I saw the former nun's cells in a different wing of the convent. Amazing!

Ok, if you have relatives living in Sent then this should be special to you. Did you go up to Hof Zuort, Val Sinestra and Vna? Absolutely beautiful!

Good night, Ingo
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Aug 11th, 2007, 05:10 AM
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Thank you for hijacking the thread! It's great to hear more ideas, experiences and thoughts!

Haven't been back on the thread as we are in Indiana visting relatives. We take 2 days to get here from Virginia, staying somewhere overnight as driving interstates makes me crazy bored.

I don't think I'm worried about Guarda being too quiet............ our nightlife consists of a good meal and wine, maybe sitting on a balcony (with more wine) and listening to cowbells and quiet. ( and drinking wine, did I mention that?)

But ..............it did sound fun watching the village square in Sent. Any website or pictures available of Pension Plaza or Hotel Rezia? I'm not finding much info.

And where to stay in Scuol? Right now we are booked in Hotel Meisser in Guarda (and plan to eat in Piz Buin one night) Is there a wonderful place in Scuol we should switch to?

Soglio is a definite, as is Stein Am Rhein, I'm convinced these are "must sees" for us. Thanks for all the input and photos and reports.

I guess one question might be Meersburg or Genegenbach for one night on the way to Soglio from Darmstadt. It looks like Gengenbach might be a 2 hour longer drive to get to Soglio from Darmstadt.
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Aug 11th, 2007, 06:52 AM
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We didn't mind the quiet of Guarda, but it IS really quiet, lol! We stayed at Piz Buin and night life was watching the World Cup games down at Meisser's bar, Le Parsepan. Of course, we hiked so much that we literally crashed after dinner. Hey, I get plenty of night life at home; I'm a musician! If you do want to stay closer to Scuol, there's an incredible little hotel across from the Tarasp Castle. I told Rick that next time we're in the Engadine, we were staying here..http://www.schlosshoteltarasp.ch/
There are also a couple of beautiful hotels in Vulpera. This would put you just a couple of minutes outside Scuol, but with some charm (scenery, quiet)
The driving around there looked easy- flat, in the valley, good roads. Hey, I remember looking at this guy's pics and getting goosebumps...enjoy:
http://www.photoseek.com/alps3.html#Scuol
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Aug 11th, 2007, 07:00 AM
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We did an all-day hike along a local rural road, parallel to the valley and high above it, starting in Guarda, having a nice long lunch in Ardez and finishing in Ftan. We then took the postbus to Scuol, the train back to the Guarda station and then another postbus up to Guarda for our car. A lovely day!
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Aug 11th, 2007, 07:35 AM
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www.rezia.ch
www.pensiun-plaz.ch

If you don't expect much of a nightlife then Guarda will be fine for you. And for 3 nights it would be for me, too. Not for a week, though. And I *love* the spa in Scuol too much ...

You're not aware of the fact that you opened Pandora's box by asking for places in Scuol, are you? ;-)
Recommended places:

Hotel Guardaval, www.guardaval-scuol.ch (get a room with balcony to the south - great views of the village and the mountains)
Hotel Gabriel, www.hotel-gabriel.ch (2star, cosy, ask for room with view again, very close to the spa)
Hotel Astras, www.astras.ch (direct access to the spa, recently renovated, rooms with large balcony to the south and views!)
Hotel Engiadina, www.hotel-engiadina.ch (charming hotel in very old, typical house, most rooms walls that are pine wood panelled, gourmet food in the restaurant)

Linda, that Schlosshotel Tarasp is totally awesome, but did you see their rates! Huh, not in my price range! In general I'd say the views are better from Scuol (and Guarda, Sent etc.) than from Vulpera, Tarasp. The latter two are on the southern side of the valley and don't offer the dramatic mountains views as the villages on the northern side. Btw, stayed in Vulpera in apartments a couple of times and liked it - except for the fact that it's a good 25 minutes walk to Scuol (or 10-minutes bus trip). You better have a car when staying in Vulpera/Tarasp (we had).
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Aug 12th, 2007, 09:10 AM
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So.............Ingo! YOU just won an all expense paid trip to the lower Engadine Valley, and can stay in the town and village of your choice.

Where will it be?
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Aug 12th, 2007, 12:27 PM
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It still depends. On the lenght of stay e.g. As I said before, for three nights Guarda is ok, especially for a first timer who might be tired after too much exploring/hiking over the days.

For ME it would be Scuol. Definitely. It is not as quaint as Guarda, but if is more interesting (at least for me). Scuol has two old parts - upper village and lower village. Inbetween a busy more modern street (spa, newer hotels, shops, restaurants, bars ...) that is parallel to the slope (not connecting the upper and lower parts, you CROSS this street to get from one to the other). Especially lower Scuol is similarly picturesque as Guarda.

It's YOUR choice!
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