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Our 6th time in Switzerland - Should we finally go to Jungfraujoch?

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May 12th, 2017, 08:55 AM
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Pal - With the Swiss Pass we would be covered for the trip Lauterbrunnen ( where we'd be staying) to Kleine Scheidegg. Then would have a bit of discount from there to Jungfrau.>

You'' be covered in full only to Wengen - then 25% off above that. Do you have a consecutive-day pass or flexipass?

But moot now.

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May 12th, 2017, 08:59 AM
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Good decision Dianedancer. Time to move on to other areas and see some of the lesser known parts of the country. No less scenic, no less to do, just a little less crowded.
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May 12th, 2017, 09:28 AM
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Now that we've made a decision the type of Pass is now at hand. The hotel in Scuol gives us some free transport (post bus, Rhaetian train to St Moritz), so I'm not sure what to do, if anything. Been pricing things out (zurich airport to Scuol; Scuol to Chur; Chur to Kolten). Not sure what other transport we will use.

Perhaps I need a figuring out break right now.
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May 12th, 2017, 10:46 AM
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To dogeared:
" Is anywhere in Switzerland more than 3 hours from Zurich? Never seems like it"

Check Samnaun, Mustair, Viano, Soglio, Fusio, Scudellate, Ferpecle, Mauvoisin.
All places I really like.
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May 12th, 2017, 11:34 AM
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Now that we've made a decision the type of Pass is now at hand.>

Half-Fare Card alone may be your best bet or perhaps if only going to one place the Swiss Transfer Ticket + 1/2 off Half-Fare Card.
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May 12th, 2017, 12:51 PM
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Since we're teaveling our girst day Zurich to Scuol and then Scuol to Chur (the day before we go to Kolten for an overnight at an airport hotel) I don't see how we can use the transfer pass
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May 12th, 2017, 01:52 PM
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Yup - did not know your itinerary-seems like you are not traveling around Switzerland much I'd think any Swiss Pass would be overkill. Just add up your various fares and compare with Half-Price Card, which you can just buy in Zurich Airport's train station.
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May 12th, 2017, 02:09 PM
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Pal - I think I agree that any Pass may be overkill.
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May 12th, 2017, 02:33 PM
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I think you'll be fine with the pass provided by the hotel. Btw - I love the Hotel Engiadina in Scuol. Very charming house, lovely rooms, very good food. Try the local specialties like Pizokels, Capuns, dried meat (Bündner Fleisch) e.g. The desserts are to die for!

Definitely make good use of that pass. I saw it also covers the loop ride through Austria and Italy. Very scenic. If you have time, stop in Müstair and see the Benedictine convent, a UNESCO world heritage site. Also, the bus ride up to Samnaun is spectacular - take the route through the many tunnels, not the one via Austria (less scenic).

Easy hiking with panoramic views along the Via Engiadina, for example Guarda - Ardez - Ftan. Or by gondola up to Motta Naluns, hike via Prui to Ardez.

Tour the castle Tarasp. Try the (free) mineral water from the fountains all over Scuol area (one is right in front of your hotel on the cute little square.) Take the bus to S-charl and do a hike from there to Alp Astras/the woods Tamangur (Swiss Pine trees). Relax in the spa Bogn Engiadina, if you're up to it enjoy the Roman-Irish Bath procedure.

As far as I saw the pass doesn't cover the trains to the Upper Engadine, only as far as Zernez. However, if you decide you want to buy the Half Fare Card, you can use it for that excursion. Diavolezza cable car (Bernina route) is in operation, gorgeous scenery (glaciers) there.
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May 12th, 2017, 02:39 PM
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Yes do not miss taking the Bernina pass railway up to the summit at Alp Grum and Bernina Ospiz -can walk around Alpine lake to a glacier and an awesome setting. Don't take official BE that demand reservations that are at times hard to get but regular trains which with Half-Fare Card would be very cheap.

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May 13th, 2017, 01:22 AM
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For Swiss lovers, the Engadin is far higher on the list than Jungfraujoch. Although Jungfraujoch is iconic in its ability to transport people into the heart of the alps, with its high elevation and white carpet of glacier snow, you'll have satisfied your curiousity within five minutes. The Engadin, on the hand, offer heritage, culture, fairy-tale villages and gorgeous scenery (especially in the upper-Engadin.)

My favourite trip in that area is to do a circular drive through that entails the lower Engadin (Scuol), touches Austria (Nauders), takes you over the Reschenpass (Italy), leads you to Glurns (a small-walled town on the border of Italy and France), brings you to Mustair (a Swiss monastary), takes you over the gorgeous Ofenpass (shades of Wyoming) and brings you back to Zernez where you can go back to Pontresina, Celerina or St. Moritz.

It's breathtaking and different.
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May 13th, 2017, 08:56 AM
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Wow. Lots to check out.

kleeblatt - I do have to disagree with you, however. We have been to the BO three times and found it wonderful all 3 times. There was no curiosity satisfied within 5 minutes. Lots of hikes, etc.

We also won't have a car so not sure if we can do the circular drive you mention. Perhaps a Postbus for part of it?

Ingo - I've already looked up "capuns" because I saw it on a menu of one of the restaurants and I had no idea what it was. I thought the loop pass was for bikers only. Will have to check it out at our hotel (Hotel Belvedere). Some other hotels were already booked as we just made up our minds about going to this area yesterday.

Pal - We will check out all the suggestions. It's a very rainy afternoon here in NY so it's a good time to do it.
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May 13th, 2017, 09:00 AM
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Dianedancer: I was referring to the Jungfraujoch only. The Berner Oberland is indeed glorious, even after several visits.

I wouldn't do the suggested loop unless you had a car. However, Ingo has mentioned many other gorgeous Engadin sights so I see no problem of getting bored in the area.
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May 13th, 2017, 01:51 PM
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This page on the official Scuol Tourism website lists all the means of transport that are included in the "Engadin Scuol Mobil" offer:

http://www.engadin.com/unterkunft-an...mobil/?S=1&R=2

And that's what the Hotel Engiadina's website mentioned as package: Engadin Scuol Mobil.

You can see that the "loop" through Austria and Italy is included:
Three countries trip: Scuol-Nauders-times-Val Müstair-Zernez-Scuol (No idea what "times" in that relation means. Must be an error.)
Bike transport on the gondola Motta Naluns is also included, but you don't have to bring one along ;-)

I hope you saw the Belvedere's special offer for spring season, stay 4 nights and pay only 3 (which can certainly be extended by one or two nights), which also includes the spa. Btw, I *love* this hotel. Fantastic!!

I checked schedules on www.sbb.ch and think you can easily do that loop through Austria and Italy. With a start at 9.35 am in Scuol, two hours for a stroll and lunch in Glurns/Italy (picturesque walled small town) and another two or three hours in Müstair for a monastery/museum visit plus coffee break you would be back by 5.30 or 6.30 pm in Scuol (best via National Park/Pass dal Fuorn and Zernez). Let me know if you need help with that schedule.
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May 13th, 2017, 01:55 PM
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That sounds like a wonderful 3-country trip in a day!
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May 14th, 2017, 01:57 AM
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Ok, Ingo, not fair! I have just booked my trip to Switzerland in September, including 5 nights in Sils Maria and you come up with more ideas....
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May 14th, 2017, 05:07 AM
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Ah, now I understand, kleeblatt.

Ingo - Thanks for the information, I will definitely check that out as soon as I finish my breakfast. This three country trip is by Postbus?

I'm getting excited! And yes, we got the "4 days for 3" offer at the Belvedere.
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May 14th, 2017, 07:25 AM
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Ingo - Not sure if the stop in Glurns, Italy is covered in the "offer".
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May 14th, 2017, 08:22 AM
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Just a comment for all readers. When you write Dianedancer, "Some other hotels were already booked as we just made up our minds about going to this area yesterday.", that is one of the complaints listed about third party websites.

That a booking site shows a hotel as 'full' does not necessarily mean the hotel is in fact 'full'. It often just means that the number of rooms the hotel has allocated for booking by third party booking sites is 'full'.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39529584

Note that 25% of the booking sites checked, mislead the consumer about what is 'full'.

I never use third party sites to book. I consider them simply parasites (pun intended) who come between the buyer (me) and the seller (hotel) and make a profit while adding nothing of value to the equation. I always phone and negotiate directly with the hotel. Never underestimate the advantage that actually phoning and speaking to someone gives you.

I KNOW I can beat what any third party site can offer, by calling the hotel directly. That may sound like a strong statement to make and hard to prove. But bear in mind that there are all kinds of ways other than price alone that can make your stay better and it is the hotel reception person who has control of those.

I may get a lower price by knowing how to ask for it or simply get a better room for the same price. I may get some additional 'perks'. You will not find any hotel industry insider who doesn't agree that you can do better by booking direct.

http://www.businessinsider.com/booki...y-sites-2015-8

http://www.thewanderlusteffect.com/h...ooking-hotels/

http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/20...msky-interview

Hotels do not list on third party sites because they want to. Think about it. Common sense tells you that they make less money when they have to pay a commission to a third party. In fact, they lose as much as 10-25% on third party bookings. Do you think that doesn't affect how they treat the person who books on those third party sites?
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May 14th, 2017, 09:23 AM
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Dogeared - I always book directly with the hotel if possible. However, sometimes I can get a better rate through a third party. I did this recently with Hotel Allegra in Kloten, for our last night before we fly back to the U.S. Some site I never heard of had an approximately $40 difference. After booking with them, I contacted the Hotel Allegra directly to make sure they got the reservation and they did. So all is well.

I'm not sure why people book through a third party. I look at them to see people's reviews and what hotels are out there. If I like something, then I look up the hotel's own website and book through there. I sometimes go to hotelscombined.com too to see what they have.

I once saw a cheaper rate at a third party's site and contacted the hotel directly and asked for them to match it. They did.
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