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On the Road in Europe: Flashing Headlights - A Moral Quandry

On the Road in Europe: Flashing Headlights - A Moral Quandry

Aug 9th, 2006, 11:02 AM
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Dukey - I find this very much my experience - it is the "Hang 'em and flog em" brigade who object most to being caught speeding. It is as though they can choose which laws apply to them.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:10 AM
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In Arkansas, it has been commonplace for years to flash lights for many reasons, cows in the road, cops in the bushes, traffic accident ahead... I can't do it now because my car always has the running lights going.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:13 AM
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WOW! Illegal to nickel the meter, huh? If it is designed to enforce a 2-hour parking limit, OK. If for ANY other reason, that's just plain bizarre!

As for the headlight flashing deal, I rarely do it but only due to lack of opportunity. If I can save some folks the aggrevation and expense of a speeding citation, I'm all for it.

Before the safety folks begin the roast of MvK, let me explain. It appears that the "speed limit" is the most important law and biggest crime in the USA based upon its enforcement. If the law enforcement agencies were a bit more fervent in solving and/or preventing other, more serious crimes, I would be all for it. But alas, federal mandates and the threat of reduced federal funding has blackmailed the states into such unbalanced enforcement of the laws.

Speed does NOT kill! Running into things and the resulting injuries from that impact kill. Perhaps if it weren't so easy to get a driver's license in the USA we could do more to reduce the number of traffic fatalities rather than hitting the motoring public's wallets with hefty speeding fines.

Oh, and BTW, I've NEVER had a speeding ticket and in 36+ years of driving, only one ticket and that was 34 years ago.

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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:19 AM
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The motorists were probably flashing their lights at you to get you to move to the slow lane if they are coming up behind you at a fast speed.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:20 AM
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Here in Belgium the location of speed cameras is announced on the local radio. The police don't seem to mind; it has the right effect, people slow down.
On the other hand, if you have a radar in your car to warn you of speed cameras, you will be fined heavily, and you may even loose your car, as happened to someone here recently.

And in Holland, there are so many speed cameras, you would be flashing your lights almost continuously, which would look rather silly.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:21 AM
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I would argue that speeding tickets (in general) particularly in some rural communities, are one of the primary income/revenue sources for the community. Oftentimes w/little or no cost to the people who reside there...why not just put up a toll booth for the tourists, it amounts to the same thing.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:23 AM
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The only song I recall with those lyrics was by PiL, a song called Rise released in 1985.

So to stop you being bored, we have to endure your banal postings on whatever pops into your head. Yeah, thanks for that.

I'm sure you expected me to post something along the lines of 'OH NOES!!!1!! PalQ is doing the opposite of what I wanted!!' No cigar, not close.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:26 AM
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Hi P,

At least in the US it is not breaking the law to "remind others to drive safely".

That is as close as I can remember of the judge's opinion when someone was arrested for warning other drivers.

AFAIK the opinion has been accepted in all States.

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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:32 AM
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I've seen drivers throughout the USA flash their lights in warning--at least in places I've driven, mostly California, Texas, the Rockies, mid-West, and up and down the East cost. Maybe they're all European tourists or immigrants.

I think read somewhere that it's now illegal in Germany to flash your lights, honk your horn, or make hand gestures to try to get people out of the passing lane on the Autobahn. That it is considered aggressive driving and subject to a hefty fine.

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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:35 AM
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I often wonder why on toll roads such as French autoroutes where they stamp the time you enter and stamp the time you leave - if you're going faster on the average than the posted speed limits why not give a ticket - no difference than speed traps to me or cameras? Then they could put that police power to better use elsewhere.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:39 AM
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No - stella keep talking - the more you do the more of an xxx you make yourself out to be.
<So to stop you being bored, we have to endure your banal postings on whatever pops into your head. Yeah, thanks for that> - obviously you enjoy it or there's one quick way not to endure my banal postings - tune out, it's so easy. More and more it seems you want and enjoy the limelight however dim it is.
Keep talking!
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:43 AM
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<Well some people post to give and receive useful information> - stella why have you posted three times here - what useful info are you giving.
I'll stack my useful info on previous posts against your anytime. Now make yourself useful - go away!
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:47 AM
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I agree with rapunzll,
The whole objective is to make drivers go slowly and safely, if flashing achieves that then do it, and I do.

I'm a flasher.....

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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:49 AM
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In Italy drivers flash their lights at other drivers who are driving to slow (like at the maximum speed limit, lol) in the fast lane to indicate to them they want them to get in the right hand lane.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:55 AM
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When we arrived in Sicily we were told that if someone is turning onto teh road or overtaking another car (on opposite lane) they will flash their lights here to say "I AM COMING GET OUT OF TEH WAY) and often seems like a race to see who can do it first. If it is not accompanied with wafting hand gestures (slow down) that is basically what it means. Just our experience here.
You also put your emergency light on when traffic is slowing to a standstill or there has been an accident to notify the car speeding behind you. So I now do the same thing if need be...when in Sicily........
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Aug 9th, 2006, 03:37 PM
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Arcade, Georgia, is the site of one of the mosg egregious speed traps I know of.
On a main US highway that is 4 lanes wide with virtually no businesses or cross streets, the speed limit is set at 40 mph and the police routinely arrest people for doing 3 miles or more over the speed limit.

The city makes around $60,000 a month from traffic fines year round.

Now which is the most immoral? Arresting people for exceeding an artificially set speed limit established for the purpose of raising revenue, or warning people that there is a speed trap ahead?

If you think it is right and proper to pay a $100 fine for doing 43 mph on a 4 lane highway that is virtually brand new with wide shoulders and little if any cross traffic except at marked intersections, why don't you send a contribution to the town of Arcade?

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Aug 9th, 2006, 03:52 PM
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I often wonder why on toll roads such as French autoroutes where they stamp the time you enter and stamp the time you leave - if you're going faster on the average than the posted speed limits why not give a ticket - no difference than speed traps to me or cameras? Then they could put that police power to better use elsewhere.

They are planning to enfore this ; but there is still a legal halt to it :

you can get two kinds of speed tickets in France,

- one because you drive over the given speed limit of a road stretch. Your speed must be measured with a yearly officially controlled and registered cinemometer.

- Antoher kind of speed ticket is "excessive speed with respect to road condition" and that one needs no precise speed value. It must be circumstanced on the spot by a policeman.

A toll-booth ticket inspection doesn't match either of these.

And yes, some people consider it's their business to warn other drivers of clearly abusive speed traps whose goal is only money. For example, there are many countryside road stretches that are technically "agglomeration" hence 50 kph but with no house nearby. It's very tempting for the police to put a speed cam there and to fine every driver from 55 kph.

When the speed control is obviously biaised from its original road safety issue onto a money making one ; it's the citizen's business to notice this unfairness.

Antoher road offences which are hugely underenforced are left-line sitting and changing directions without turn signals. Both are very dangerous, but it's more difficult for the police to fine them, so they don't.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 03:58 PM
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Hi BB,

There is a short section of US Interstate 20 between Madison and Atlanta where the speed limit drops from 70 to 55 because the road is within the limits of some small town (name escapes me) and the folks under the Golden Dome thought it would be a good idea to let the town have jurisdiction over that part of the highway.

I20 doesn't come anywhere near the town center.

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Aug 9th, 2006, 04:00 PM
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Well, Rapunzil, I'm glad you at last let down your hair but I, for one, have no desire to "climb your golden stair" and have my eyes scratched out LOL! Keep speeding, Honey.
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Aug 9th, 2006, 04:11 PM
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>> In Italy drivers flash their lights at other drivers who are driving to slow (like at the maximum speed limit, lol) in the fast lane to indicate to them they want them to get in the right hand lane. <<

Left-line sitting is illegal in Europe (outside Britain, that is!)

Unfortunately, only the Germans seem to actually understand why, and enforce it. It used to be common for the French, but now, there are many drivers on cruise control at 125 kph on the left lane, even if there's nobody on the right. It's a dangerous behavior, and should be rightly cracked down, as much as speed (the official fine is 90 euros + 2 points out of 12).
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