October Europe Trip Itinerary

Old Jan 20th, 2022, 01:40 PM
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I appreciate the advice everyone is giving me. Thank you guys.
After some thinking, and asking my dad for help (who has planned many a trip) I think i might be able to book independently after all.
So here is my updated hopeful itinerary, greatly pared down for simplicity, day by day:

Day 0- Arrive in Paris (depending what time i arrive, could be day 1, but i'll probably want time to recover from the long flight.)
Day 1- Paris (local walking tours, eg. Père Lachaise Cemetery, Montemarte, food, art, museums)
Day 2- Paris (day trip, eg. Versailles, Loire Valley, Champagne ect) (haven't chosen yet)
Day 3- Paris (rest/walk/shop)
Day 4- Travel to Nice (train)
Day 5- Nice (day trip French Riviera)
Day 6- Nice (day trip Provence)
Day 7- Nice (local tour, eg. Old Town)
Day 8- Travel to Florence (train)
Day 9- Florence (day trip eg. Tuscany)
Day 10- Florence (day trip eg. Cinque Terre)
Day 11- Florence (local tour, eg museums)
Day 12- Travel to Venice (train)
Day 13- Venice (day trip eg. Murano, Burano, Torcello)
Day 14- Venice (local tour eg. gondola, food tour, ect)
Day 15- Travel to Prague (train or fly, idk if 10+ hours on a train is worth it lol)
Day 16- Prague (day trip eg. Cesky Krumlov)
Day 17- Prague (local tour eg. walking, cruise, ect)
Day 18- Travel to Amsterdam (train or fly)
Day 19- Amsterdam (day trip eg. Rotterdam, Delft, Hague, countryside ect)
Day 20- Amsterdam (local tours eg. museums, canals, cafes)
Day 21- Amsterdam (rest, walk, shop)
Day 22- Depart Amsterdam (can also be end of Day 21, depending on flight times)

It's shorter than i originally wanted, and maybe it's still too rushed, idk. Thoughts?

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Old Jan 20th, 2022, 02:49 PM
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Starting to look like a real trip. Yea! You will do it!
I have some suggestions, will write them up later, but sure others will also.
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Old Jan 20th, 2022, 05:32 PM
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Day 15 (or actually late Day 14): Venice to Prague. There is a night train without a middle-of-the-night connection... just one at 6:00 a.m.
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 12:25 AM
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Just a few comments.
1: Two full days in Paris is barely adequate, you will have no time to rest.
2: Nice is in the French Riviera, you will only have time to see just a bit of it in one day
3: Nice is also in Provence, what exactly do you want to see?
4: You probably know you will lose basically a whole day traveling from Nice to Florence.
5: Florence is in Tuscany, what exactly do you wish to see?
6: One day in Florence is barely adequate
7: This is a very busy pace and about two weeks in you will need someplace to slow down and rest and do laundry etc.
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mjs View Post
Just a few comments.
1: Two full days in Paris is barely adequate, you will have no time to rest.
2: Nice is in the French Riviera, you will only have time to see just a bit of it in one day
3: Nice is also in Provence, what exactly do you want to see?
4: You probably know you will lose basically a whole day traveling from Nice to Florence.
5: Florence is in Tuscany, what exactly do you wish to see?
6: One day in Florence is barely adequate
7: This is a very busy pace and about two weeks in you will need someplace to slow down and rest and do laundry etc.
1) I've allotted 3 full days in Paris actually, and that's not counting the day I arrive, which will possibly be in the morning which will give me another day.
2 and 3) I'll be taking tours that will show me around some good bits, they'll be more specific.
4) I know, I've allowed for entire days for travel, as you'll see above
5) Again, I'll be booking a tour, which will be more specific
6) Travel between Florence and Venice is only a few hours, so I'll probably be able to see more before a leave.
7) I intend to wash probably at the end of every week, whenever I happen to be. Either find a laundromat for a few hours or just clean the necessities in the bathroom if I'm short on time- I've done it before and I'll do it again.

All that being said, I think I might be adding an extra day in every place to flesh it out to 4 weeks, give me more time to enjoy things.
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 05:27 AM
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Just echoing what others have said, because initially I was heading down the same path as you.

Your revised itinerary is 5-6 weeks. Wowsers. As an American, I could never accrue or take that much time off work. Seriously. Never. I'd need to either quit or retire.

It takes at least one full day to acclimate to a community's geography, geometry, transportation, etc.

You might think that this is the only time you'll make it to Europe, but if you go with either of your first two plans, you'll be wasting so much time and money that you'll ensure it. I can do 10 days in England for $1,500 (I know because I've done it).

You'll be much, much better off spending at least 10-14 days in each country. And don't forgot the value of unscheduled days (I usually spend at least one of the days sick) and the effects of jet lag and homesickness. Those last two can slow you down a lot.
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 07:57 AM
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"1) I've allotted 3 full days in Paris actually, and that's not counting the day I arrive, which will possibly be in the morning which will give me another day."

No -- you have only 2 full day in Paris. You have allotted one other day to a trip out of town. And as others have mentioned don't plan anything of significance on your arrival day. ESPECIALLY after having traveled nearly 30 hours from OZ - depending on your actual starting point it and if you fly non stop or not, it could close to 40 hours from your home to your hotel in Paris. You'll be lucky to remain vertical all day let alone do any sightseeing.

"4) I know, I've allowed for entire days for travel, as you'll see above
5) Again, I'll be booking a tour, which will be more specific
6) Travel between Florence and Venice is only a few hours, so I'll probably be able to see more before a leave."


Again -- you have really only one day for Florence because you've allotted two other days for trips out of town.

"All that being said, I think I might be adding an extra day in every place to flesh it out to 4 weeks, give me more time to enjoy things."

Good if you can add time . . . That being said . . . don't just add one day everywhere -- all destinations are not equal so before you start tweaking things, take time to really research what you'd love to see in each place. Paris for instance -- there is so much to see and do that I'd want at least 4 full days IN Paris (not counting arrival day and day trips)
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kandace_York View Post
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Your revised itinerary is 5-6 weeks. Wowsers. As an American, I could never accrue or take that much time off work. Seriously. Never. I'd need to either quit or retire.
My newest itinerary turns out to be 3 weeks, 4 if I add extra days, which is what I'll have saved up by that time. Australian benefits are quite good, aren't they I'm going to try and make sure I have 4 days in each destination.
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 02:45 PM
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Thank you janisj for the advice, I'll see if I can take it on board.
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Old Jan 22nd, 2022, 08:31 PM
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Since this is once in a lifetime, maybe key in on the big things. Sure, it’s nice in Dijon, but it’s not Paris or Venice. Go for the wow factors. If you want some stunning scenery, add in Switzerland after Paris - train to Zurich and spend a day or two getting your sister settled and head south to the Engadin. You can carry on toward Italy from there. Train to Milan and then on to Florence. You can be standing in front of the Birth of Venus in the morning and then from there head to Venice and then Munich - you can head into Bavaria for some more countryside and maybe a castle. Don’t waste a minute in Frankfort. Please. If you want to go east then Prague and Krakow.

Voila!
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Old Jan 23rd, 2022, 03:13 AM
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Look I'm going to come over as an old wet blanket on this plan and just propose you win yourself some time by taking out Nice completely, at the end of the day it is just a beach town with some fine art stuffed in it.

If you still want to do Provence then go and stay in an old town like Avignon or Arles and see the real place not just a cheap (but nicer) Monaco.

If, you drop the whole southern France thing then expand the whole Venice thing to include the little towns near it. Padua, Vicenza, Verona, etc etc
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Old Jan 23rd, 2022, 03:49 AM
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Look I'm going to come over as an old wet blanket on this plan and just propose you win yourself some time by taking out Nice completely, at the end of the day it is just a beach town with some fine art stuffed in it.

If you still want to do Provence then go and stay in an old town like Avignon or Arles and see the real place not just a cheap (but nicer) Monaco.

If, you drop the whole southern France thing then expand the whole Venice thing to include the little towns near it. Padua, Vicenza, Verona, etc etc
Agree 100% with this advice!!! If the OP dropped Nice, they could go to Rome.
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Agree 100% with this advice!!! If the OP dropped Nice, they could go to Rome.
bilboburgler and sass- so you don't think i'll get any value from using Nice as a base to visit Provence and Côte d'Azur? As touristy as those places are, I think i'll enjoy them. Rome might be fun, so i'll think about it, but i don't really want to cut out the south of France when i've already cut out so much of the country already. Plus. Nice is more central hub than Arles and Avignon, which i thought would be a good thing.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2022, 04:36 PM
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I agree that cutting out Provence is a good idea for several reasons. First, Provence is a large area and exploring this area takes a lot of time as the attractions such as Eze, Antibes, Ponte du Gard, Aix, Arles, Gordes, etc are not all in one small area as it is in the major cities of Rome, Paris, London etc. You talk about staying in Nice to tour Provence but Nice is and the Cote are only a small part of Provence and Nice is not a good base to explore the Luberon, Aix, Nimes, Avignon etc. Third, Nice to Florence s not a simple transfer and it takes most of the day to accomplish. Flying from Paris to Rome on the other hand is much easier. If you really want so spend a more reasonable time in Provence you should cut out Prague. I am also not sure why you consider this a once in a life time journey. If you are in your twenties you have decades of time left hopefully unless you have a terminal illness. I also agree with Janisj that if I were going to Paris for the first time I would want four full days.
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I agree that cutting out Provence is a good idea for several reasons. First, Provence is a large area and exploring this area takes a lot of time as the attractions such as Eze, Antibes, Ponte du Gard, Aix, Arles, Gordes, etc are not all in one small area as it is in the major cities of Rome, Paris, London etc. You talk about staying in Nice to tour Provence but Nice is and the Cote are only a small part of Provence and Nice is not a good base to explore the Luberon, Aix, Nimes, Avignon etc. Third, Nice to Florence s not a simple transfer and it takes most of the day to accomplish. Flying from Paris to Rome on the other hand is much easier. If you really want so spend a more reasonable time in Provence you should cut out Prague. I am also not sure why you consider this a once in a life time journey. If you are in your twenties you have decades of time left hopefully unless you have a terminal illness. I also agree with Janisj that if I were going to Paris for the first time I would want four full days.

Ok, good points. Maybe i should consider Avignon more then. I know Nice to Florence is a whole day event, which i why i gave it its own day in the itinerary. I dont want to cut out Prague, as I'm interested in the eastern cities as well and its the only one on the list. As for once in a lifetime, i only say that because i dont know when i''l be able to afford it again. Maybe ill be able to come often in the future, or maybe not.

Anyway, here's some revised ideas for that part of the trip.

Paris to Avignon, stay overnight, do Provence tour, go on to Nice that night or next day.
https://www.viator.com/en-AU/tours/A...n/d483-31254P1

Nice - Menton - Ventimiglia, stay the night, then on to Florence.

Day 4- Travel to Avignon (train)
Day 5- Avignon (day trip in Provence)
Day 6- Avignon, (walk in morning and travel to Nice)
Day 7- Nice (local tour, eg. Old Town)
Day 8- Nice - Menton (half day) - Ventimiglia (half day) (stay overnight)
(Maybe more days in those places, depending how much there is to see)
Day 9- Travel to Florence

I just feel like Rome is a little far, and i don't want to fly more than necessary.


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Old Jan 26th, 2022, 07:33 PM
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I suppose to simplify the trip so I'm not travelling between 4 different countries, I could keep it to France and Italy and end in Rome. I'll miss out on a lot of countries i want to see but i guess it would be more practical given the state of the world right now, only having to think about Covid rules and such in two countries.
Plus maybe I'll be able to spot Maneskin ;P
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Limiting your trip to those two countries would allow you to enjoy your trip more. So much more time to explore those countries in 21 days. You could enjoy other areas of Italy you might not have been able to consider - - Siena is gorgeous, San Gimignano, the Last Supper in Milan, other hill towns of Tuscany, Perugia, plus south of Rome to the Amalfi Coast, Capri, Sorrento, Naples, Pompeii. Northern France is also beautiful - - Mt. St. Michel and Honfleur come to mind.


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If you are going to add a week I would do this:
Day 0- Arrive in Paris
Day 1- Paris
Day 2- Paris
Day 3- Paris
Day 4- Travel to Avignon (train- 3hrs)
Day 5- Avignon
Day 6- Avignon
Day 7- Travel to Nice (train- 3 to 4 hrs)
Day 8- Nice
Day 9- Travel to La Spezia/ Cinque Terra (train-5hrs)
Day 10-Travel to Florence (train- 2-1/2 hrs)
Day 11-Florence
Day 12-Florence
Day 13-Travel to Venice (train- 5 hrs)
Day 14-Venice
Day 15-Venice
Day 16-Travel to Vienna (train- 7hrs) (Or Munich if your sister insists)
Day 17-Vienna (Or Munich if your sister insists)
Day 18-Vienna (Or Munich if your sister insists)
Day 19- Travel to Prague (train- 4-1/2 hrs)
Day 20- Prague
Day 21- Prague
Day 22- Travel to Berlin (train- 4-1/4 hrs)
Day 23-Berlin
Day 24-Berlin
Day 25- Travel to Amsterdam (train- 6-1/4 hrs )
Day 26- Amsterdam
Day 27- Amsterdam
Day 28- Amsterdam
Day 29- Fly home from Amsterdam (can also be end of Day 28, depending on flight times)
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Old Feb 2nd, 2022, 01:39 PM
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That's a great idea, dugi. Funnily enough i just did up another proper itinerary to send to my dad, as he's now shown interest in coming with me for my safety and his own desire to travel again. My sister meanwhile is planning a different trip with our mum.
I was going to keep it to France and Italy but he's definitely interested in eastern europe like i am, so this is what we came up with.

Day 0- fly to Paris (23-26 hours)
Day 1- Paris (explore city)
Day 2- Paris (day trip)
Day 3- Paris (explore city)
Day 4- Paris (day trip)
Day 5- Paris (explore city)
Day 6- Paris (rest)
Day 7- Travel to Avignon (2-4 hours)
Day 8- Avignon (Provence tour)
Day 9- Avignon (explore town)
Day 10- Travel to Nice (4-5 hours)
Day 11- Nice (explore town)
Day 12- Nice (day trip eg. coast)
Day 13- Nice (day trip eg. towns)
Day 14- Nice (rest)
Day 15- Travel to Florence (7-9 hours)
Day 16- Florence (explore town)
Day 17- Florence (explore town)
Day 18- Florence (day trip eg.Tuscany)
Day 19- Florence (rest)
Day 20- Travel to Venice (2-3 hours)
Day 21- Venice (day trip eg. islands)
Day 22- Venice (explore town) (overnight train to Prague- 13-15 hours)
Day 23- Prague (explore town)
Day 24- Prague (day trip eg. Cesky Krumlov)
Day 25- Prague (rest)
Day 26- Travel to Budapest (7-9 hours)
Day 27- Budapest (explore town)
Day 28- Budapest (day trip)
Day 29- Budapest (rest)
Day 30- fly out of Budapest
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Old Feb 2nd, 2022, 07:59 PM
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This is so much a better itinerary than your first attempt! Have to think about it to comment. Have you traveled just with your father before? Would he be interested in renting a car to explore some of the country side?
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