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Edward2005 Apr 16th, 2019 07:07 AM

Nice job, Kerouac.

kerouac Apr 16th, 2019 07:17 AM

Thanks, but now there will be nothing more to see. We can expect the building to be under wraps for a few years.

panecott Apr 16th, 2019 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by IMDonehere (Post 16904964)
During our first trip to Paris in 1972, my wife was admiring the wrought iron work on the doors to Notre Dame. A well-dressed man in his 60's engaged us in English and asked what we liked it about it. We said something to the effect regarding the beauty and craftsmanship. And then he asked us to have coffee with him. At the end I said, "While we appreciate the coffee, why did you ask us to join you?"He said, "I always grateful to Americans for what they did for France during the wars."
I said, "Obviously we were too young to have fought."
"Of course, but go back home and tell people what they did was not forgotten."

That's a lovely story, Imdonehere.
My first trip to Paris coincided with NASA's first trip to the moon. Everywhere we went, when they heard we were American, the Parisians would excitedly talk about the space flight and report to us what they'd heard on the news that day - all was well, almost there, so wonderful, etc. In all my trips there I never experienced any of the alleged animosity that the French supposedly held towards Americans. I suspect your Parisian friend was not alone in his feelings.

apersuader65 Apr 16th, 2019 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by quokka (Post 16904724)
Holy crap. There are really more important matters to worry about now than tourists. Paris is not just a theme park.

Holy Crap, who would think a comment about the impact on the tourists would dare be posted on a travel page. L'horreur!

Rocket79 Apr 16th, 2019 08:58 AM

Thank you, Kerouac. Yes, it could have been much worse. But wow. :unsure:

Florida1 Apr 16th, 2019 12:03 PM

Thanks for posting your photos, kerouac.

Askar01 Apr 16th, 2019 12:17 PM

Joke of the day : our President in an adress to the TV tonight promised full restauration of Notre Dame within 5 years. Five years..
To give a comparison the restoration work of the Cathedral of Reims which was partially destroyed in 1916 is still going on.
I knew he had his limits in a number of subjects but to this point.. The problem ( which is also our problem ) is that he really believes in what he says.
The brick layers, the construction workers who cared to listen to his speech had a good laugh I'm sure.

Pepper_von_snoot Apr 16th, 2019 06:30 PM

Thank you, Kerouac. 👍✌🇫🇷

Thin🐩

kerouac Apr 16th, 2019 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Askar01 (Post 16905288)
Joke of the day : our President in an adress to the TV tonight promised full restauration of Notre Dame within 5 years. Five years..
To give a comparison the restoration work of the Cathedral of Reims which was partially destroyed in 1916 is still going on.
I knew he had his limits in a number of subjects but to this point.. The problem ( which is also our problem ) is that he really believes in what he says.
The brick layers, the construction workers who cared to listen to his speech had a good laugh I'm sure.

Askar01 might be overdramatizing a bit. Reims cathedral was destroyed in 1914. Restoration began in 1919 and the cathedral reopened in 1938. Obviously restoration of medieval cathedrals is never complete, so you can say that restoration will continue until the year 2500 if you want. The Reims restoration was financed in large part by the Rockefeller millions and goes to show what big money can do when it is spent wisely. Anyway, if Reims could reopen after 19 years of work in 1938, I am pretty sure that Notre Dame will be open within 5 years. Obviously, work will not be complete at that time.

thursdaysd Apr 16th, 2019 08:36 PM

It took four years for the south transept of York Minster in the 1980s ( https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-28112373 ), but this looks like both transepts plus the nave. Also sounds like there was a lot of work that needed doing even before the fire.

ssander Apr 17th, 2019 04:05 AM

Thank you, K, for those photos.

We head to Paris in a couple of weeks. This is not our first trip, so we've seen it many times, but that in no way minimizes the hurt we feel and the magnitude of the tragedy.

I still recall our October 2001 visit, a month after 9/11, when the people in Paris were so empathetic to our own national tragedy. My French is bad, but anyone who talks to me this trip will know my feelings of sadness and support.

I am 72, and like Flannerunk, I fully expect to enter ND again in my lifetime. It's now on my bucket list.

ssander

SemiMike Apr 17th, 2019 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Askar01 (Post 16905288)
Joke of the day : our President in an adress to the TV tonight promised full restauration of Notre Dame within 5 years. Five years..
To give a comparison the restoration work of the Cathedral of Reims which was partially destroyed in 1916 is still going on.
I knew he had his limits in a number of subjects but to this point.. The problem ( which is also our problem ) is that he really believes in what he says.
The brick layers, the construction workers who cared to listen to his speech had a good laugh I'm sure.

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for." (Robert Browning)

Pepper_von_snoot Apr 17th, 2019 06:39 AM

"Things fall apart." Yeats.


Thin🐩

kerouac Apr 18th, 2019 06:40 AM

Just for the record, I added a few new photos to my report, taken this afternoon.

yestravel Apr 18th, 2019 06:48 AM

kerouac, thanks for your photos.

WhereAreWe Apr 18th, 2019 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Askar01 (Post 16905288)
Joke of the day : our President in an adress to the TV tonight promised full restauration of Notre Dame within 5 years. Five years..
To give a comparison the restoration work of the Cathedral of Reims which was partially destroyed in 1916 is still going on.
I knew he had his limits in a number of subjects but to this point.. The problem ( which is also our problem ) is that he really believes in what he says.
The brick layers, the construction workers who cared to listen to his speech had a good laugh I'm sure.

I don't speak French so I'm relying on this translation: “We will rebuild Notre Dame even more beautiful and I want that to be done in the next five years," he said.

Wanting something to be done and promising something will be done are two different things. Did he actually promise to have it done in 5 years or simply say he wants it done in 5 years?

kerouac Apr 22nd, 2019 07:02 AM

Metro station Cité has reopened, along with the surrounding streets.

The experts are tending to say more and more that the 5-year target date can be at least partially met -- in other words, Notre Dame should be able to reopen while renovation work continues.

Traviata Apr 23rd, 2019 06:49 AM

We have been going over every day. The access streets to the Isle are now more open and the cafes and restaurants are full. It is almost business as usual.......the square right in front of the towers is closed off......so many people over the holiday weekend, but, a bit quieter today.

kerouac Apr 23rd, 2019 06:55 AM

They were supposed to be putting plastic sheeting over the cathedral today before we get some rain in the next couple of days. They will be building a bigger roof with scaffolding as soon as they can, and that will be in place for a few years.


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