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AnnRiley Jan 29th, 2007 04:01 PM

North west England, why the sarcasm !!
Have been reading some of the replies by people regarding the North West of England (Merseyside/Cheshire/Lancashire/Wales etc. Some of the comments are downright sarcastic. It is NOT grim up north (at least not in my part of the world, its a beautiful place to live. The part of the NW I live in is "over the water" from Liverpool and is half an hour from Chester. Its a lovely area with beautiful countryside and a stunning coastline with lots of lovely little quaint villages. I have travelled extensively all over the world and this part of the NW can hold its own with the best of them!!! Dont judge an area on what you see on the TV or read about in papers all countries have areas that are not so nice but often these are only a small area (as is the case of The Wirral" By the way it was were the 2006 Hoylake golf open was held and I recall Tiger Woods being overwelmed by the area as was most people who visited for the Golf had all their misconceptions thrown out of the window...

P_M Jan 29th, 2007 04:08 PM

AnnRiley, I haven't seen any of the threads you are referring to, but last year we drove all around N England and Wales and there were no ugly parts. I can't think of any part of England or Wales that isn't lovely.

AnnRiley Jan 29th, 2007 04:13 PM

I know, but read some reports, cannot remeber thread but guy was saying its very grim up nw of england and for hobbies we strangle kestrals !! I know he was joking, but i felt it was in poor taste..and gives the wrong impressions to Americans or Europeans who only seem to venture (mostly) to South of UK.

P_M Jan 29th, 2007 04:23 PM

I can certainly relate to that. I live in Texas and we live under the most ridiculous stereotypes in the world. I hate it when everyone assumes Texas is a dry, barren desert, we all ride horses, wear western clothes, we all carry guns, yadda yadda. I'm sure you get the idea. It's very hard to convince people that my home city is green, humid, quite hilly, I don't own a gun, and most of us have never owned a horse.

Thanks for posting this, I hope everyone will get a chance to visit NW England someday.

thursdaysd Jan 29th, 2007 04:25 PM

I haven't read the thread you're referencing either, but was he actually including the Lake District in this blanket condemnation?? Last time I looked that was NW England. And I went to college in Lancaster (far too long ago), and saw nothing particularly wrong with the area.

flanneruk Jan 29th, 2007 10:49 PM

For crying out loud Ann, wipe that bloody chip off your shoulder.

If you lived in the real North West, and not in that effete bunch of suburbs over the water, you'd have developed a proper sense of humour by now. You'd also have developed a sense of proportion: to argue that Greasby, New Ferry or Egremont "can hold their own" with the Grand Canyon or the Barrier Reef is simply balmy.

To think for one nanosecond that the featureless miles of Mersey and Dee estuary, punctuated by Hoylake's glorious views of the Seaforth wind farm, constitute a "stunning coastline" does rather imply an unfamilarity with California or South Africa that would shock almost anyone in any central Liverpool pub: whatever Liverpudlians' shortcomings might be, insularity isn't one of them.

I've spent a significant part of the past 40 years walking that coast, by the way. Terrific for working off hangovers, but the Riviera it certainly isn't. And "quaint (ugh!!) villages? Parkgate aside, name one "quaint (ugh!!, ugh!!!) coastal village" . Waterloo? Talacre?

England's North West, with its adjacent bit of Wales, is perfectly pleasant. Which is why, for example, Liverpol gets more tourists these days than Oxford and has more buildings listed for preservation than any city in the UK outside London (hear that, Edinburghophiles?). But the area's not Tuscany or Attica.

Now all these "grim up north" jokes (and true Liverpudlians recognise them as just that: laddish banter that's obviously unheard of among the doileys and china tea cups of Saughall Massie) emanate from one poster, whom no-one can possibly take seriously: he supports Spurs.

And if you want to get your revenge on him, there's a much more sensible (and properly North Western) way than exaggerating the area's alrightish but no more than that qualities.

Go over to Goodison tomorrow night and encourage the team to change the habits of their recent lifetime and play properly.

Thus sending Spurs, and their hapless supporters, slinking back down south, tails between their legs.

And that'll show Audere.

sheila Jan 29th, 2007 11:17 PM

Jesus wept, Michael! She's only been her for 23 threads. Give the girl a break.

Even if she does think Wales is in NW England. :)

Josser Jan 30th, 2007 01:13 AM

Well, I have just removed my flat cap after taking the whippet for a run.
I'll feed the pigeons in a minute.

It used to amuse me when there was talk of the North South divide.
You'd get politicians talking about folk in London boroughs hopping around with one clog and saying, "Northern poverty? Look at all those people in Cheshire with their Range Rovers and their Barbour jackets, with grapes on the table even when nobody's ill!"

Keep quiet about the beauties of the North West AnnRiley or you'll get that Steves geezer running tours.

Maria_H Jan 30th, 2007 01:14 AM

Some of us northerners let the "grim up north" myth lie, as we're quite happy to keep the place to ourselves, thanks very much ;)

I live in a rather unremarkable northern town, some 7 miles from Manchester. Ok, it has some grim corners, not least it's 70s style shopping centre. The biggest plus point to me is that within an hour or two I can be in some beautiful areas - North Wales, the Lake District, the Peak District, the Yorkshire Dales to name just a few. I like the Wirral too, we regularly visit Ness gardens, near the very pretty village of Burton and the walk at low tide from West Kirby to Hilbre island is a favourite of mine.

Of course If we really get fed up of all this grimness (or more likely the tropical northern climate) Manchester airport is also a 15 minutes drive away...

Kate Jan 30th, 2007 01:40 AM

As a Midlander who has lived boith North and South and seen it from both sides, I find all this north/south griping REALLY TEDIOUS.

willit Jan 30th, 2007 04:04 AM

As Flanner has already said, the main culprit is a Spurs fan, and a public schoolboy at that. As long as it remains banter and good humoured, then long may it continue - it is a type of humour that I find typically British.

If Everton and Spurs could please contrive to produce a goalless draw this week, that would suit me fine.

tudorprincess Jan 30th, 2007 04:04 AM

You want some North/South griping? Move to the states.

Piedmont_Phil Jan 30th, 2007 04:10 AM

UK government just awarded their first "super casino" license to Manchester. Make of that what you will.

Kate Jan 30th, 2007 04:26 AM

Oh wow, Blackpool will be gutted

PatrickLondon Jan 30th, 2007 04:39 AM

Manchester sounds about right. Coronation St should get a good few storylines out of it.

fnarf999 Jan 30th, 2007 05:33 PM

So, I searched Fodor's for more information about tourism in Greasby, but turned up no hits. Why is that?

According to Wikipedia, Greasby has a bunch of pubs, nine hairdressers, and the fattest cat in Britain. Are there coach tours?

AnnRiley Feb 9th, 2007 06:52 AM

What a bunch of comedians Flanneruk etc are, and yes Sheila? you are right Wales is not in England, I meant NW of Great Britain. I have a bloody marvelous sense of humour (when something is witty) which you FlannerUk are not, I just wished you'd carried on walking....I was only giving my opinion, but God you were out for blood, as for the "chip on my shoulder" I'd love to belt you round the "Gob" with it, hows that for northern Humour....You sound one arrongant pillick, I await your (caustic reply) no doubt.

Barbara Feb 9th, 2007 08:02 AM

NW of Great Britain is of course, NW Scotland, a much superior area.

Josser Feb 9th, 2007 08:10 AM

At the risk of sounding like another arrongant pillick (sic), I have to point out that Wales stretches quite a way darn Sarf.

It's prett grim oop the North West at the moment. It's chucking it down with sleet and I have seen some anxious looking brass monkeys wandering around.

audere_est_facere Feb 9th, 2007 08:38 AM

Bloody hell. Boris Johnson was right.

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