Non red-eye flight from US to Rome?
Nov 17th, 2011, 01:27 PM
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Non red-eye flight from US to Rome?
Are there any airlines that fly direct to Rome during the day? I live in Denver, but will fly to connecting city, spend the night and then fly the next day to avoid a red-eye. Anyone know if this is possible? I checked on KAYAK but come up with none. Really? Help! Thanks!
Nov 17th, 2011, 01:43 PM
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That is just how it is not done. The standard route is overnight to Europe and day light to the US. That is the most convenient for most people. There are some daylight flights to London from New York and perhaps some of the other eastern cities. It is the time zones as much as anything. Say you let Denver at 9AM and it would actually be 3 PM in Rome. It is roughly an 8 hour flight so now you land at 11PM or later. Add a couple of hours to clear the airport, immigrations, transportation to downtown, etc. So you are checking into a hotel at 1AM. Problem is that no one from immigrations to hotels are geared up to provide a lot of service at midnight or later. The overnight flights make more sense.
Nov 17th, 2011, 01:53 PM
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American Airlines has a day flight from New York to London and Chicago to London but it means you would have to spend the night in either New York or Chicago AND London before catching a plane from London to Rome. Air Canada also has a day flight from Toronto to London but again requires an overnight in Toronto and London travelling from Denver. Three days to get to Rome?
Nov 17th, 2011, 04:55 PM
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There are also day flights from some cities in the eastern US to Paris, but there have never been any daylight flights from the US to Rome (or anywhere in Italy), to my knowledge, in the 40 years I've been tracking flights.
A daylight flight would need to depart NYC around 8 a.m., to arrive in Milan around 9:30 p.m., which is not considered convenient for most travellers.
There are evening flights from the west coast to London, Paris and Munich (and perhaps other cities) which quickly turn into daylight flights owing to the 9-hour time zone difference. Nevertheless, several hours of these flights are by night.
A daylight flight would need to depart NYC around 8 a.m., to arrive in Milan around 9:30 p.m., which is not considered convenient for most travellers.
There are evening flights from the west coast to London, Paris and Munich (and perhaps other cities) which quickly turn into daylight flights owing to the 9-hour time zone difference. Nevertheless, several hours of these flights are by night.
Nov 17th, 2011, 05:05 PM
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It actually would be feasible for an airline to fly East Coast US to Rome. The problem is the economics. Arriving late at night in Italy it'd be too late for the airline to turn the plane around and fly back to the US.
Therefore the next day flight from the US to Rome would require a second plane.
It's very poor capital utilization to have a plane sitting on the ground rather than flying paying passengers and cargo.
Overnight flights let an airline use a single plane for both directions. Two flights for the price of one plane.
Therefore the next day flight from the US to Rome would require a second plane.
It's very poor capital utilization to have a plane sitting on the ground rather than flying paying passengers and cargo.
Overnight flights let an airline use a single plane for both directions. Two flights for the price of one plane.
Nov 19th, 2011, 04:55 PM
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Thanks for all the information. You can tell that I'm new to European travel. I'll just have to do the red-eye and hope for the best. So, now, how do you sleep on those flights? Any tips?
Nov 19th, 2011, 05:03 PM
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Sleeping pill will probably do the trick. However I've never been on a flight with a seat in economy that was comfortable. On somewhat empty flights sometimes middle section (with 4 seats) can used for sleeping.
Nov 19th, 2011, 08:52 PM
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Why won't you just fly from Denver to either;Chicago,New York,Atlanta,Charlotte,etc. for the nonstop flight there? Connecting in Europe is a pain and time consuming.Take a nonstop out of a US city!
Nov 19th, 2011, 10:23 PM
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Of course you can divide the flights into mini segments you design instead of what carriers tell you. However, if you do that, the fare skyrockets. That is why the booking engines that present itineraries from the cheapest do not show this type of flights.
You can do a simple computation to realized it is impossible to avoid red-eye if you were to fly continuously.
Denver to Rome is 6142 miles. Suppose there is a direct flight. A jet going east can fly this distance in perhaps about 11-12hrs. Denver to Rome is 8hrs difference. If you take off Denver at 6am, then you will be in Rome 11hrs later plus 8 hrs = 1am. You are already in red-eye territory. Now add realistic layovers. You are deeper into the red-eye territory.
You can do a simple computation to realized it is impossible to avoid red-eye if you were to fly continuously.
Denver to Rome is 6142 miles. Suppose there is a direct flight. A jet going east can fly this distance in perhaps about 11-12hrs. Denver to Rome is 8hrs difference. If you take off Denver at 6am, then you will be in Rome 11hrs later plus 8 hrs = 1am. You are already in red-eye territory. Now add realistic layovers. You are deeper into the red-eye territory.
Nov 20th, 2011, 02:21 AM
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aa.com then skyscanner.net usually ryanair.com STD CIA
cheaply the next day only way possible to do this
ends up costing a lot more due to hotel cost o/n
farecompare.com best tips best usually to suck it up to save
and I have done it both ways...
cheaply the next day only way possible to do this
ends up costing a lot more due to hotel cost o/n
farecompare.com best tips best usually to suck it up to save
and I have done it both ways...
Nov 20th, 2011, 02:28 AM
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Virgin also runs an
8AM EWR(Newark) to 8PM LHR(Heathrow)
what most Brits who do this a lot
hop the pond on...But you would have to work
your other flights around this would cost a lot more.
So possibly doable but probably not worth it.
8AM EWR(Newark) to 8PM LHR(Heathrow)
what most Brits who do this a lot
hop the pond on...But you would have to work
your other flights around this would cost a lot more.
So possibly doable but probably not worth it.
Nov 20th, 2011, 04:28 AM
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From Denver, I can't think of a way for you to do this without overnights at both ends. It might be cheaper or not much more, to look at a nonstop to Rome with premium economy seating which would make a red-eye more tolerable.
Nov 25th, 2011, 03:54 AM
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"There is always a massive departure tax "
Untrue.
In effect, practically the opposite of the truth
Air Passenger Duty is roughly related to journey length (the more you pollute, the more you pay). APD on an economy flight to Europe is £12 - far, far less than the saving passengers usually make over expensively-managed Continental airports by transiting at Heathrow.
A journey Denver-London-Rome-Denver is almost always cheaper than one transiting somewhere else
Untrue.
In effect, practically the opposite of the truth
Air Passenger Duty is roughly related to journey length (the more you pollute, the more you pay). APD on an economy flight to Europe is £12 - far, far less than the saving passengers usually make over expensively-managed Continental airports by transiting at Heathrow.
A journey Denver-London-Rome-Denver is almost always cheaper than one transiting somewhere else
Nov 25th, 2011, 06:00 AM
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I never want to fly TO Europe during the day anyway. As others have said, arriving at night and really losing one of your vacation days (even if you're not at your best after jet lag) is not good in my book.
Nov 25th, 2011, 06:45 AM
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We've taken daytime flights from several different east coast cities to London, spent the night at Heathrow and flew to our destination the next day. No jet lag. We like it and it works well for us though is more costly with two airport hotel stays added.
Nov 25th, 2011, 07:51 AM
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We just took a daytime Delta flight from Seattle to Amsterdam, and connected there to a KLM flight to Rome. Worked out well for us...we arrived in Rome about 1 PM, did walkabout sightseeing until about 9 PM, went to bed and were good to go the next morning.
