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dln Aug 31st, 2003 09:12 AM

No Smiles on these Passports!
 
<i>Canada has banned the public from smiling or frowning for passport photos, the Foreign Ministry announced Tuesday. Canadians must send a photo with &quot;a neutral expression--that means so laughing, smiles, frowning,&quot; said Suzanne Meunier, a ministry spokesman.

&quot;The mouth must be closed,&quot; she added.</i>

Well! Whaddya think of that? What does YOUR passport photo look like? Would it fly in Canada?

jor Aug 31st, 2003 09:20 AM

I suppose they did this so someone cannot hide the way they normaly look. A post 9/11 thing.

I hate my passport photo as much as I hated my prior passport photo. Do I really look that bad?!


sandi Sep 1st, 2003 04:34 AM

The only thing missing from most passport photos is that &quot;small board with numbers/date&quot; held below your face.

Most people look like current residents of a penal institution.

Though I must admit my current photo is pretty good - the best of any of my previous passport photos taken over the years - in fact, one of the best photos of me anywhere. Boy was I surprised.

adrienne Sep 1st, 2003 06:35 AM

By the time they did that holograph thing (or whatever it is) to my photo you can hardly see me it's so dark. I guess I'm lucky considering what my previous photos looked like.

jason888 Sep 1st, 2003 07:36 AM

A friend of mine once said:

&quot;The best passport you could carry is your smile.&quot;

So, it doesn't matter what any uptight government wants or doesn't want, carry your best passport with you and flash it every opportunity you get! :D

Tiramisu Sep 1st, 2003 07:39 AM

Are you kidding?? I just sent in my passport for renewal and I'm smiling. Where did you get the info from, dln?

flygirl Sep 1st, 2003 07:40 AM

that's weird, wonder why not. you can also ID people by their teeth when they smile - if they are BAD that is.

Clifton Sep 1st, 2003 07:56 AM

I just looked at mine. It looks like I'm trying to figure out what the stain on the photographer's shirt might be. And yes, I should be holding a number plate below my chin. Horrible picture.

I was just thinking that next time, I may try to pose with a &quot;What? What did I do??&quot; expression. That seems the surest way to ensure a postive ID if foriegn authorities nab me for something like jaywalking.



BrimhamRocks Sep 1st, 2003 08:17 AM

Tiramisu, hard to believe you haven't heard this already. It's been all over the news, even here in the UK. Here are just a few of the places you can read about it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/am...dian.smile.ap/

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_813475.html?menu=

http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/we....Rnet_DaQ.html

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...a-passport.htm

Scarlett Sep 1st, 2003 08:30 AM


I am not smiling in my passport photo and it looks NOTHING like me!!
Aside from my hair being a different length, I look like someone just goosed me, I always feel I have to apologise to the Customs agent for the scary picture :(

dln Sep 1st, 2003 08:56 AM

I'm smiling in my passport photo. And I have lipstick on and my hair is nicely done. I figured if I had to live with it for ten years, I may as well try to gussie myself up!

The downside of this is that after a long over-the-ocean flight, I look like my passport photo's evil twin!

S_F_E Sep 1st, 2003 09:04 AM

My passport photos always look so bad that I almost hope they think it's a fake! Once that actually happened - years ago, before the fall of the Berlin Wall, I drove with my family, through East Germany to Berlin (I'm from the US). No trouble going in, but leaving East Germany they held us up at the border for hours while they debated whether the picture of me on my passport was really me. (I had had the flu and a fever the day the picture was taken, so the picture was even worse than the usual abomination.) As a vain teenager at the time, I was secretly sort of glad they didn't think it was me - as long as the consequences stopped short of being thrown into prison...

lillehavfrue Sep 1st, 2003 09:26 AM

I look tired, drunk, and stoned in my passport photo, which is usually how I look after a long, nasty flight.

Patrick Sep 1st, 2003 11:29 AM

I am reminded that a couple years ago when showing my passport at the airline counter, the woman said, &quot;I see you have new glasses, but still wearing the same shirt.&quot; I WAS!!!

BrimhamRocks Sep 1st, 2003 11:32 AM

lol Patrick

playlad Sep 1st, 2003 11:37 AM

It is illegal to have a moustache in Dutch Passports...


BrimhamRocks Sep 1st, 2003 11:41 AM

What about sideburns? Some of the ones I've seen lately (who in the WORLD decided to bring those 60's/70's hirsute horrors back? EWWWWWW) have been soooo full and hairy, they almost hide the ears!

gualalalisa Sep 1st, 2003 11:45 AM

Have just reviewed my current and four previous passports and I'm smiling in each one.

I guess I'm happy in all these pictures because getting a new passport photo represents more world travel!

Also, I've always had them done by profesional photgs and not at one of those photo booths near the passport office. It doesn't cost a lot more and, as someone said, you do have to live with the results for a long time!

playlad Sep 1st, 2003 11:46 AM

no. Apparently not.
Under the Hair Act of 1967 it states:
&quot; Sideburns are extremely offensive and thus any person or persons known to show them in public will be forcibly removed from society...&quot;


BrimhamRocks Sep 1st, 2003 11:48 AM

LOL LOL I love it LOL

Sue_xx_yy Sep 1st, 2003 12:31 PM

Most of us probably look better when we smile.

Unfortunately smiling and other facial expressions also tend to make any given individual look very different from one expression to the next, which I suspect is the source of concern for those in charge of Canadian security, and for all I know other countries as well. Smiling/frowning distorts facial features - a smile puffs up our cheeks and compresses the area around our eyes, a frown deepens the nasolabial folds and furrows the brow. So it seems the idea is to have identification take place as much as possible under controlled conditions.

The new guidelines also include strict controls on lighting and resolution (no more over/under exposures or fuzzy photos) and directives about head gear. Turbans and head scarves are okay, as are most regular eyeglasses, but glasses with dark lenses and veils that obscure the face are not.

DougP Sep 1st, 2003 12:31 PM

The story originated in a comedian's column in a newspaper in Canada, Toronto I think. It was poking fun at the stereotype of Canadians.

Poppa Sep 1st, 2003 12:33 PM

Canadians can express emotion?

Who knew?

DougP Sep 1st, 2003 12:36 PM

That's how funny the column was.

Sue_xx_yy Sep 1st, 2003 12:46 PM

DougP


While I agree that sometimes our government agencies are comedic, the story is factual.

http://www.ppt.gc.ca/passports/get_photo_specs_e.asp




nocinonut Sep 1st, 2003 12:55 PM

I don't see how you can be surprised at how your passport photo turns out, you are the one who submits it to them. Last time I renewed mine I took a few retakes until I liked the picture, like you said, dln, you have to live with it for many years.

I look better in my passport picture than I do now in real life, lol. It was about 8 years ago and I look more pleasant than I do now, I can't remember why I was so pleasant that day.

coco Sep 1st, 2003 02:14 PM

FYI: I've just had my photo taken for renewal and was asked &quot;for which country.&quot; (US) I inquired why she was asking and was told that the requirements vary from nation to nation. The Japanese are NOT to smile and some countries require half-profile instead of straight on. Forget what else she told me, but even if Canadian report is a joke there are differences in photo requirements depending on where the passport is issued.

cmt Sep 1st, 2003 02:30 PM



The Candadian requirements: http://www.ppt.gc.ca/passports/get_photo_specs_e.asp

jody Sep 1st, 2003 02:47 PM

Mine isn't bad but it is 9 years old! Even worse is my driver's license..the picture is 16 years old...it looks like my daughter's!

We've just had a case here in FL ..where a woman wanted to be totaled veiled for her picture..after several 100 thousands dollars of money and time..it was finally judged..if you want to drive you have to have a full face photo! Driving is a privelege not a right so comply with the law.

ed Sep 1st, 2003 02:47 PM

Not passport but ID

I had to renew my drivers license and the picture was taken at the DMV. I had to take off my glasses.

The first thing I put on in the morning are my glasses and the last thing that I take off at night.

My wife looked at the picture and asked &quot;Who's that?&quot;:B




jody Sep 1st, 2003 03:14 PM

ed..I know exactly what your wife mean! My DH is never without his glasses ...he looks totally differnet and not my DH without them!

Trish Sep 1st, 2003 03:44 PM

I had my CDN passport renewed 6 months ago and I have a big smile on my face and it wasn't a problem. The pictures I hate are the US immigration ones that are profile with your right ear showing.

cls2paris Sep 1st, 2003 04:39 PM

I renewed in March and I was allowed to smile but I had to have my eyes wide-open. It's the goofiest passport photo I've seen, I look like a deer in headlights!

BrimhamRocks Sep 1st, 2003 04:51 PM

ouch, lol

Ziana Feb 3rd, 2004 07:47 AM

My gorgeous 9y/old looks on her passport like retard. I do not even want to mention myself. My husband looks OK, though.
The funny part is that my and my kid passports were made in Sears, where the same lady took my daughter's picture for the modeling agency a month ago and those were excepted like &quot;super&quot;.

What is wrong with taking passport picture ? Like I said - the same hands -opposite result !

carrolldf Feb 3rd, 2004 07:59 AM

On my last passport renewal, I used a photo which I had taken at Gatwick airport on return from vacation -- a great photo. I was relaxed and smiling (which is or was okay for US passports).

The only reason I took the photo to begin with was for my Mom who always says &quot;I never see any pictures of you on vacation&quot; so as I was at the airport for my return flight, I saw the photo booth and took a picture for Mom -- it printed I think one small approx wallet sized and four passport sized photos. Since my passport was up for renewal that year, it worked out great. I now make a habit of looking for the photo booths in the airport when I return from London and always take a photo so I have current ones....plus it makes Mom happy. And the photos are always amazingly good photos of me -- not necessarily a great quality but a very good picture of me -- better than any other photos I've had taken. And always smiling.

SLHogan Feb 3rd, 2004 08:50 AM

My most recent passport photo shows me laughing at the photographer (mouth wide opened, pearly whites on display). My curling iron had died that morning so one side of my bangs is curled under and the other side is straight as an ironing board!

Dallas Feb 3rd, 2004 08:50 AM

Not only was is my passport picture really bad, but I have changed so much in the 5 years since it was taken that they may decide it isn't me. I've let my hair go natural (gray) and I've lost 35 pounds which, on a 5'1&quot; frame, is a lot. I've got 5 more years on my present passport, but do you think I should see about changing the picture?

kismetchimera Feb 3rd, 2004 09:23 AM

The picture on my passport is decent..not super..but at least i dont look like a dork...

Now my ID card picture is something also...
For security reason everytime I go to the local AF base I must show it...I can imagine the guard at the gate smiling when he see it...

halfpint Feb 3rd, 2004 09:55 AM

Having been a professional photographer in Upper Michigan (yes, that is in the United States), for over 50 years, the first 30 or so years that was a rule, no smiling in a passport photo, just a normal non-smiling pose. And the old joke used to be IF YOU LOOK AS BAD AS YOUR PASSPORT PICTURE, YOU REALLY NEED THE TRIP. or again, IF YOU LOOK AS BAD AS THE PICTURE, YOU ARE NOT WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE THE TRIP. Either way, I was relieved when that rule was relaxed and was able to take at least half flattering photos for customers passports. Have a good day. MJ


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