NEWS -- fodors.com layoffs!

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May 16th, 2001, 08:32 AM
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dan woodlief
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I suspect Ron may be onto something about the reasons behind this, or it could be something else entirely. The Internet game is getting pretty darned competitive. In my opinion though, and I am sure many here share this, Fodor's Web site is a major competitive advantage. Good luck to all those moving on to other jobs.
 
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May 16th, 2001, 09:02 AM
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Ditto to the feelings expressed by others in ways more eloquent than I could manage.

I "e-spoke" to Terri only a short while ago about the forum pins, and she was friendly, professional and went out of her way to help. I can see why she will me missed along with the others who are leaving.

Our company also suffered layoffs last year and I know it is often just as hard a time for those who stay as those who are asked to leave.

So I would like to wish all of you, staying or leaving, best of luck, and thank you again for a forum which I value very very much.

I hope the reason was related more to lack of advertising revenue (which is an internet wide issue) and not the failure of the recent new format. Those of us in the Europe Forum certainly know that it didnt fail due to hard work, dedication and effort on your parts.

Kavey
 
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May 16th, 2001, 09:35 AM
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Amen to what Kavey said. If you or your ex-colleagues need a banker's box full of positive testimonials or references, just give us the address.
 
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May 16th, 2001, 09:41 AM
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Thank you Danny.

I know we can be ~cranky~ sometimes, but we DO know [in our better moments] both how fortunate we are to have this forum and how hard you and your cohorts have worked to make it function smoothly for us all. I

hope that Dave and Terri will read this thread so that they know that we recognize and honor their contributions.
 
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May 16th, 2001, 11:35 AM
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Bertelmans, the German publishing giant that is the parent company of Random House, and thus Fodors, announced that it was dropping its on-line book store, bol.com. bol.com was the largest European competitor of Amazon.

Upsizing, downsizing, capsizing is always a difficult experience, both for those caught up in the maelstrom and those that survive. Best wishes to both the now former and now still active members of the Fodors force.
 
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May 16th, 2001, 01:00 PM
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Danny,
Thank you for keeping in touch with us about the news. I remember the first time you chimed in on a thread to let us know you were present and listening. You and Fodors became "real" at that point and not just a conglomerate. Then visiting you all in N.Y. for me was a child's equivalent of going to Disneyland. You guys are our heroes, our wizards behind the curtain allowing for a most amazing world wide connection of travel communication. We'll miss David Downing and it's a good thing he's multi talented and a musician as well. David, come to Denver and start a band. You already have the makings of a world wide fan club.

There's an old Chinese proverb: Change is opportunity.

May you all weather the changes in good health.

God Bless,
Dr. Betty
 
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May 16th, 2001, 01:14 PM
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Though I haven't been a member of the Fodor's family as long as many others, I hope you will also allow me to express my appreciation to all and sense of loss for those who are departing. This is a truly outstanding web site (spats included) and I know it is that only because of the hard work of the "behind-the-scenes" folks. Visiting this site has quickly become an adiction, so Thank You for my "daily fix".
 
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May 16th, 2001, 01:16 PM
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To Wes,
Bertelsmann is not folding BOL.com, it is merging management of it into the the Bertelsmann Direct Group with their book clubs. (Tho they did close down ops in Denmark & Norway.) This is according to article in Financial Times (as well as an item in the same PW Daily that featured the Fodors.com item). I did see in today's NY Post that BOL.com was closing, so this misinformation may be circulating widely. (And where would the NY Post be without misinformation!) Apologies for going off-topic, but thought you'd want to know!
 
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May 16th, 2001, 01:50 PM
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Right you are, Coco, Bol is being folded in, not folding up. I misread the brief piece in the New York Times (All the news that fits we print!)
 
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May 16th, 2001, 02:13 PM
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I can't believe it - it all looked like it was doing so well!!

I'm sorry to hear of people leaving, too - especially Mr. Downing - my daughter looked at his picture and fell in love (the pictures are all gone now, too!!.)

To all who left, a great big thanks and a hug!!!
 
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May 16th, 2001, 03:28 PM
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I am so sorry to hear this news!
Random House does not realize what a gem they have here at this site!
fodor's has done what my husband could not do for a couple yrs;
Get me interested in the computer.
and the help I have received for our upcoming trip, the few cyber friends I have made, and support in other aspects of my life, have been invaluable.
GOOD LUCK, guys.!!
I wish you all well.

 
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May 17th, 2001, 10:28 AM
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Sorry to hear it, but look at the bright side. There will be fewer fodors.com editors and employees for Rex to impersonate.
 
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May 17th, 2001, 11:29 AM
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Silver Lining(you'r not)
You are such a jerk!!!
 
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May 18th, 2001, 04:22 PM
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Dear Danny,

Thank you so much for your ongoing communication with all of us out here. I join the others in being so sorry to see your business impacted by layoffs. It's both unnerving and sad to have colleagues affected by these events.

I confess that sometimes it's hard for me to remember that this is a business! But the folks at Random House should know that they get at least two substantial benefits from this forum. First, it increases Fodors' stature tremendously, and builds loyalty. Secondly, I'm sure that you must glean lots of useful information about all of us: what we like and don't like about travel authorities, our own travel "finds", even pretty good market research with our endless "who are you" threads! I think that corporate America will one day come to see the internet as a means of communication, rather than a profit center that has to pay it's own way. As such it still supports the primary business.

Anyway, please know that we are all extremely appreciative of all of your efforts.

Robin
 
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May 18th, 2001, 04:30 PM
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I'm also sorry about the effect this must have on all of you -- those let go and those remaining. Thank you so much for helping with my request during what must have been a very bad week for you.
 
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May 21st, 2001, 07:51 PM
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It's been a week now (well, tomorrow morning).

Are we likely to see any new directions from the new streamlined www.fodors.com team?

Do the announcements at www.karenbrown.com (one new, one news that others may not know) give any clues?

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I'm not suggesting that these are good or bad harbingers of things to come. And I certainly don't know if they are pertinent to this forum or not.

For what it's worth, I did actually go on record here last week (on another thread), saying that I would pay to register here, if it were to come to that.

One thing seems for sure - - publishing is a hard business in the current internet business model climate.

How many Fodor's books have YOU bought this year?

And how often have you turned to free information on the internet instead?
 
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May 21st, 2001, 07:59 PM
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I have bought a few guidebooks this year. In fact, I now look at Fodors books where I did not in my 'pre forum'days thinking that they plugged expensive travel.
 
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May 21st, 2001, 08:19 PM
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Good question, Rex. In the past year, I have purchased 3 travel guides - Frommer's Guide to Europe (damaged copy of 2001 edition @ remainder price), the Time Out Guide to Edinburgh and the Michelin Green Guide to Prague. I consider the Fodor Guides to be dull and humourless, aimed at middle-aged travellers looking for safe, conventional and unadventurous vacations.

I suspect Random House made the correct decision to cut their losses on this site, especially given the failure of the new format, which I suspect was aimed at a)giving us a better user experience (leading in the future to getting us to pay something) and b)providing a more attractive vehicle for advertisers.
 
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