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New warnings for US travelers within the next 48 hours

New warnings for US travelers within the next 48 hours

Oct 1st, 2001, 01:32 AM
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This is from the State Dept. own web site (I suppose some of the people who already posted here will say it is not accurate and that we should ignore it)
Office of the Spokesman

Worldwide Caution
September 28, 2001
The U.S. Government remains deeply concerned about the security of Americans overseas. Following the attacks on September 11, we have continuing concern based on threatening rhetoric from extremist groups and the potential for further terrorist actions against American citizens and interests. In this environment of increased tension and concern, the Department urges Americans to review their circumstances carefully and to take any measures they deem necessary to ensure their personal safety." See
Worldwide Caution: issued - 9/28/01, expires - 1/9/02

Oct 1st, 2001, 04:34 AM
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Nancy, you're right. I am saying that it is not accurate -- you failed to report that you posted a PART of the warning, NOT the warning as a whole.

The whole warning merits reading, as do the specific country announcements and warnings.

By the way, there are no warnings for France, Italy, UK, Switzerland, Sweden, Czech Republic, etc.
Oct 1st, 2001, 08:15 AM
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Escorita---Please shut up. Your 'know it all" attitude stinks.
Oct 1st, 2001, 08:29 AM
Book Chick
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"All of us"??!!!???

I certainly neither appointed nor empowered you to represent MY point of view on this or any other subject. Your imperious attitude is probably that malodorous scent to which you so vehemently object.
Oct 1st, 2001, 08:58 AM
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Art, thanks for your daughter's letter. Anything that describes "real people" and not the extremists' rhetoric or fearful imaginings is valuable. Her letter is like a bridge over these troubled waters.
Oct 1st, 2001, 09:32 AM
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Just got back from 2 weeks in Europe: France, Austria & Germany. Let me just say that everyone we met (and we met tons of Europeans) was sympathetic to Americans. Many were wearing flags on their clothing and some even cried for what happened here. I did see that same warning posted by Nancy while in Germany (on European CNN). Not once did I feel unsafe or unwelcome. Quite the opposite.
Oct 1st, 2001, 09:32 AM
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Art...Relay my family's appreciation to your daughter first of all, for being there for so many Americans and secondly for expressing her views of the Turkish people in such a positive manner. Thank goodness we have so many young women and men like your daughter. We visited Istanbul and Kusadasi/Ephesus for 6 days last July and fell in love with that beautiful historical country and its many wonderful caring people.
Oct 1st, 2001, 09:37 AM
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Art, please convey my thanks to your daughter, as well. That's a beautifully written expression of sentiments and realities everyone needs to be aware of now, and it was generous of you and her to share them with us all. You must be very proud of her.
Oct 1st, 2001, 09:44 AM
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"All of us", feel free to say whatever you want, just please don't presume to speak for me.

Maybe I'm naive, but the State Department warnings would seem to pertain more to obvious targets - like Americans living all together in a foreign city (consulate workers, Army personnel), or working in a U.S. firm overseas (as in, you might want to avoid throwing cocktail parties for all the employees and the CEO), or congregating all in one place (like at an advertised American rally).

For individuals, I thought it meant to be aware of things to avoid (like if there's a big gathering of Americans in some French park, one might want to avoid the park) or to keep an extra eye open (like a package left on a subway car).

I always had the feeling that lots of people like to be scared (certainly explains roller coasters and haunted houses at Halloween), so some folks like that little shiver they get when reading about something scary.

Oct 1st, 2001, 09:54 AM
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Escorita, you said, "....afraid or otherwise withdrawing from life. No way, folks. Terrorists may indeed dispatch me from this world. But they are going to have to work hard for it--they're not getting a damned bit of help from me in the effort."

You go, girl! That's the spirit.......your strength and courage are contagious.
Oct 1st, 2001, 09:56 AM
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way to go escritora. dont let them shut you up. my son was in the wtc and made it out. he is one lucky ems. unless you live this tradegy every day of your lives you have no idea. so dont go speaking for "all of us" because "all of us" have mouths and can very well speak for ourselves. besides with all this going on in ny and the world right now, even if you disagreed with someone cant you find it in your heart to go past the post w/o saying something nasty. lighten up a bit!
Oct 1st, 2001, 10:10 AM
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God Bless your daughter, Art. She sounds like a wonderful girl. My daughter came home this weekend and told me of five classmates that are based on ships outside of New York or in Pakistan.
Escritora, you have displayed such strength. I admire you greatly.
To Concerned, we all are. It is a difficult time for everyone.
Peace to all. Please?
Oct 1st, 2001, 12:47 PM
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Ditto to "mom" (post just above). She says all that needs to be said.
Oct 1st, 2001, 02:16 PM
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Just wanted to let anyone coming here know. The US embassy in Italy has sent out warnings to US citizens living here. I recieved an email from them.
It is the same warning that everyone else got from the State Dept.
Oct 1st, 2001, 02:50 PM
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I think that you can still take your group, but you probably need to make some adjustments.

The T-shirts have to go! That was not a brilliant idea no matter what. They need to consider their dress. Looking like a large group of teenagers on vaction opens them up to pickpockets and petty thiefs also.

Also, can you break into smaller groups as you tour.

Where in England are you going? The risks are probably higer in the cities. I am working with girls going to rural Switzerland. I think that they are fairly safe since this place is SO rural that the terrorists would not get the TV coverage they crave!
Oct 1st, 2001, 03:46 PM
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I can only say, go to the state dept. sites mentioned and see for yourself. There are consular info sheets on Belgium and Italy, both related to conferences, one of which at least hasn't taken place.
Oct 1st, 2001, 06:56 PM
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Hmmmmm. The State department issues a WORLDWIDE caution (the first I've seen in the 12 years I've been reading State dept travel statements) and Chris says that "there are no warnings for France, Italy, UK, Switzerland, Sweden, Czech Republic, etc.". I always thought those countries were part of the WORLD but Chris knows better and informs us all that they are not. Better let those Frenchmen know they don't belong on the planet earth Chris.
Oct 1st, 2001, 09:37 PM
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Agree about the shirts - a similar group from our church took this trip twenty years ago and wore matching logo jackets. Sad how much the world has changed, isn't it?

I did read the entire caution and I understand that it is based on intelligence reports and not necessarily new threats. The idea that it was a worldwide issue concerns me - I am not an alarmist. I do think that putting 30 kids into a situation where they could become hostages or targets is not smart.

Our trip was to involve most of the larger towns/cities in Southern England: London, Oxford, Bristol, and Bath.

We are still on hold after a meeting on Sun. but I am getting the idea from the parents that we will postpone. Thanks for the feedback.
Oct 1st, 2001, 10:52 PM
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I'll rephrase for you, Clark. At the time of my post, there were no "country specific" warnings for France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, UK, Czech Republic, etc.

And here I thought my original was self-explanitory as it followed the paragraph outlining the need to look up the specific country warnings.

Thanks for your unbridled sarcasm, Clark. I'd forgotten I was posting on Fodors.
Oct 2nd, 2001, 02:23 AM
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There's actually been a worldwide travel warning for US citizens since sometime in May 2001, connected with threats from Bin Laden & associates. It's been superceded by the 12 September and 28 September warnings.

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