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"New SAT Won’t Include Obscure Vocabulary Words"

"New SAT Won’t Include Obscure Vocabulary Words"

Apr 16th, 2014, 03:47 PM
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It trumps not reading and havjng vocab similar to my 3 year old niece as a uni candidate.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 03:56 PM
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I just heard on a news show that the SAT is not a predictor of success in college. In fact, the only true predictor seems to be the high school GPA. Many experts who have researched this say the SAT is not really necessary anymore and should be scraped altogether.

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Apr 16th, 2014, 04:11 PM
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Funny take on this from the New Yorker:
Directions: Match the italicized slanty word or phrase with its meaning.

1.Mike, like, likes Emily, but not like that. The best meaning of “like” is:

(a) you know
(b) um
(c) similar to
(d) derives pleasure from
(e) lolz
2. Mrs. Fisher explained that the Latin weird expression carpe diem means “seize the day.” “Seize the day” means:

(a) F.T.W.
(b) it is what it is
(c) twerking
(d) YOLO
3.John threw a party when his parents went away, and it was a catastrophe. “Catastrophe” means:
(a) epic fail
(b) #latergram
(c) T.T.Y.L.
(d) sup
4.Kelsey was having an identity crisis issue ish. “Identity” means:

(a) Self-conception based on social, political, religious, physical, and other distinctive personal characteristics
(b) Twitter handle
(c) Tumblr account
(d) personal brand
5. Doug’s grandpa is a big Internet troll. “Troll” means:

(a)a magical dwarf who lives in nature
(b) a provocateur person who goes online and writes offensive things just to rile people up
(c) a kind of doll that I played with in kindergarten
(d) Donald Trump
Select Pick the word or phrase that DOESN’T fit.

6.____ always using Snapchat.

(a) Your
(b) You’re
(c) Ur
d) Yore
7. The 2004 movie “Mean Girls” is ____.

(a) classic
(b) old-school
(c) a satire of high-school behavior adapted from a best-selling work of nonfiction, written by Tina Fey and starring Lindsay Lohan
(d) old
8.Dave knew he’d be there, so he told his teacher, “See ya then, ____.”

(a) bro
(b) brah
(c) Mr. Edwards
(d) dude
9. When he got to college, Jason discovered that his research skills were severely deficient very bad. “Research” means:

(a) Google stuff
(b) Wikipedia stuff
(c) search for information, both online and at the library
(d) Facebook-stalk
10. The rafting trip was really ____.

(b) kewl
(c) exhilarating
(d) awesome
Essay: Please compose write an essay of at least four tweets in length about a subject topic thing of your choosing. Don’t forget to use punctuation and stuff.

Photograph by Thomas Barwick.

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Apr 16th, 2014, 04:12 PM
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Shock and ah.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 05:04 PM
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I guess this brands me as old but I thoroughly agree with Ira. Maybe I have a slanted view but the fact that I always did extremely well on the vocab section offset my lower math scores. Back when I went to school one didn't "study" for the SAT, one just "took" it. I'm also sure my math weakness had something to do with the attitude back then about girls not being able to understand math.

I was astounded to read that one of our major state universities is offering architecture classes in Spanish because the students couldn't understand them in English.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 05:07 PM
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That's funny, chummy!
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Apr 16th, 2014, 05:21 PM
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Sorry - I took the SATs back in the last ice age and the vocabulary test was NOT difficult. Granted I was a voracious reader and was a good test taker - some people just don't do well on tests. But we didn't have any such thing as SAT prep courses. You just walked in and took the tests - with whatever was in your brain from being in school all those years.

For an interesting view of your vocabulary go to freerice.com. Not only a chance to test yourself, but you are also contributing to a solution to world hunger. I've gotten to level 53 - but during a really boring conference call.

Encourage everyone to try it.

And yes, the SAT should have some words most students won't know - otherwise it's not a test of comparative knowledge.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 06:00 PM
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Travelgrommet doesn't know memorisation is an inescapable part of education, why am I not surprised.

It shouldn't come as a surprise. I've long dismissed the importance of memorization in education and prefer an emphasis on analytical skills, problem solving, and math (not arithmetic) skills. Memorization is not thinking.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 06:18 PM
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Mnemosyne is the mother of the Muses.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 07:47 PM
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Pretty soon "obscure" will be an obscure word. I got an 800 on the English SAT and am still proud of it to this day...and use a lot of the skills it took to get that score in my everyday life.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 07:59 PM
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Vincenzo makes good point. If the purpose of the SAT is to predict success on a college level, then any question, or change to questions, that can be found to correlate (is that too obscure?) with college success is a valid one. If knowledge of obscure words do not serve the purpose of the test, then they should be thrown out and words that do so should be substituted and evaluated for their predictability of college success. Unless of course, the purpose of the test is to inflate the egos of those who do well.
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Apr 16th, 2014, 10:13 PM
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>"For example, a question based on a passage about an artist who “vacated” from a tradition of landscape painting, asks whether it would be better to substitute the word “evacuated,” “departed” or “retired,” or to leave the sentence unchanged".<<

Entirely sensible question - since in that context "vacated" is - to me - entirely meaningless. Thinking about the appropriateness of a word to a specific meaning in context is exactly what school examinations should be encouraging, at different levels appropriate to the expected level of the pupil's development. Just testing for some "absolute" meaning is distinctly Gradgrind-ish and limiting.

I wouldn't call this an "aptitude" test, though, since however you design a vocabulary test, it's testing prior knowledge.
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Apr 17th, 2014, 02:17 AM
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In a strict sense, you're right about "aptitude." But the test is supposed to determine not just what knowledge you've acquired or possess innately, but also whether you'll succeed at a future endeavor.
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Apr 17th, 2014, 02:46 AM
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Perhaps the test will include a whole bunch of opportunities to use nouns as verbs so we can "dialogue" together.
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Apr 17th, 2014, 02:50 AM
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"I've gotten to level 53 - but during a really boring conference call."

And they actually pay you a salary to do this stuff?
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Apr 17th, 2014, 02:53 AM
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Ira, your "answer" of "Wow. Just like in grade school." speaks volumes about your own understanding of the test. Back to that slide rule, Mr. Engineer.
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Apr 17th, 2014, 08:54 AM
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"This wasn't true in our experiences. You can study for the SAT or ACT by yourself using a number of methods. We bought the workbook but didn't pay for classes in person."

Fair point. However, doesn't it strike anyone as odd that the test is supposed to be designed to measure one's educational accomplishments and preparation for college, yet there is an entire industry built around studying FOR this test? If it truly is a measure of where a student is educationally, then shouldn't students go in cold?
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Apr 17th, 2014, 10:43 AM
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IMHO yes, student should go in cold.

BUT, a lot of kids don;t work to their potential in lower grades and the purpose of the classes is two fold:

Teach kids how to take the test (some are intimidated and some terrified and this can significantly lower the score so it doesn't reflect what they actually know)

It provides kids with some perspective on what they should know (which may be a whole lot different from what some schools are teaching - and gives them notice that they need to catch up)

But I really don't see how a 6 week course can really make up for what kids have not learned in 11 years.
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Apr 17th, 2014, 10:47 AM
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Both of my kids did terrible on the SATs. Both had very good grades in high school. Both of my children are successful college students. One is even on the Deans list at her school, which is a good university. I do not believe the SATs measure how well a child will perform in college.
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Apr 17th, 2014, 12:08 PM
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>>But I really don't see how a 6 week course can really make up for what kids have not learned in 11 years.<<

a. It doesn't have to cover "11 years." You think an SAT prep course starts with the first grade "What's 2+2?"

b. It covers a narrow set of academic skills. AFAIK, for instance, there's no chemistry on the basic math/English SAT, or physics or a lot of specialized subject matter that kids take in school.
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