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Maria_H May 9th, 2008 05:47 AM

New guide to 'irritating' England
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7391776.stm

Cholmondley_Warner May 9th, 2008 05:50 AM

Great minds and all that.

Maria_H May 9th, 2008 06:09 AM

Alike and pretty much the same time! Must be twins, separated at birth ;-)

PatrickLondon May 9th, 2008 06:56 AM

Ho-hum. Someone's got a book to sell. Plus ça change.

traveller1959 May 9th, 2008 07:08 AM

>>The latest edition of the Rough Guide says no other country is as "insular, self-important and irritating".<<

England is so insular, they even have not realized that World War II is over. (Some recent posts in this thread suggest this:
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...p;tid=35129365)

Cholmondley_Warner May 9th, 2008 07:11 AM

Of course we're bloody insular - we live on a sodding island!


Dukey May 9th, 2008 07:14 AM

The whining is beginning to make that island in "Castwaway" seem rather inviting.

Cholmondley_Warner May 9th, 2008 07:14 AM

Also hating the Germans is just what we do. Like queueing and grumbling.

They killed my dad's budgie you know.

ter2000 May 9th, 2008 07:35 AM

Every year at the launch of the new Rough Guide and Lonely Planet Guide to the UK there's a story like this. The publishers know quite well that there's nothing that the British - especially the English - like more than beating themselves up, and so every new guidebook includes quite a few insulting comments like these. Hey presto - instant publicity! You can't buy that kind of advertising.

Cholmondley_Warner May 9th, 2008 07:47 AM

What i think is intertesting is that they have english writers for the English book. Surely they should get some foreign coves to do it - after all that's who the book is aimed at - foreign coves.

PalenQ May 9th, 2008 07:54 AM


Footie not soccer'

The nation's favourite pastime also takes something of a kicking.

"Football, footie, call it what you will (no English fan ever says 'soccer')", the Premier League is overpriced and with players "more famous than pop stars".

The guide suggests heading to an "unfashionable provincial" club for the "real experience".

"Macclesfield Town against Rochdale on a wet Tuesday night in February - that's a proper football match," it enthuses.

alanRow May 9th, 2008 01:46 PM

<<< England is so insular, they even have not realized that World War II is over >>>

as opposed to the folk who constantly say "if it wasn't for us you'd all be speaking German".

PatrickLondon May 9th, 2008 01:49 PM

To which one can only reply "If it wasn't for us you'd all be speaking French".

J_R_Hartley May 9th, 2008 02:12 PM

Quoi?

stfc May 10th, 2008 02:53 AM

I believe that in 17-something the US senate took a vote on whether to have English or German as the first language of the young USA, and English won by one vote. No doubt an expert will fill in the details.

Just think, if it had gone the other way the US wouldn't have turned up 2 years late, they wouldn't have turned up at all.

The UK only finished paying the USA last year for all the weapons generously 'loaned' so nobody should be surprised if we sometimes think WW2 isn't over.

J_R_Hartley May 10th, 2008 06:09 AM

Apparently the German vote thing is a myth.

Patrick is talking about the French and Indian war, which appears to me omitted from the American educational curriculum.

1752-1763, part of the Second Hundred Years war, the British effectively kicked the French out of North America, notably securing the British colonies later to be come the United Soviet of America.

Had the French won, North America would have become a French Colony, and the French wouldn't have come to your aid to liberate you from the British.

It was the financing of this war that created all fuss over taxes leading to the Revolution.

Ingrates.

Tu piges?

mjsilver May 10th, 2008 07:02 AM

"Patrick is talking about the French and Indian war, which appears to me omitted from the American educational curriculum."

Not in my day, it wasn't! (She cackles, thumping her cane on the floor and whacking a teenager with her ear trumpet.)

stfc May 10th, 2008 07:35 AM

Oh all right then, the English-German thing is a myth. Says so on google so it must be true.

But I shall perpetuate it just to demonstrate how irritating the English are.

Incidentally, why does the guide refer to England only and not the British Isles? I know some very irritating Scots, Welsh and Irish.

Padraig May 10th, 2008 07:38 AM

Why isn't travelme participating in this thread?

willit May 10th, 2008 07:43 AM

Is stfc anything to do with Swindon - just curious.

One of our collective hobbies is our real or imagined hatred of the French and Germans. It's what we do -perhaps in a less sincere way than America now appears to hate all things Islamic and before that Russian.

BTilke May 10th, 2008 08:07 AM

The F&I war is still part of PA education, fortunately it's not taught in the ridiculously simplistic and skewed manner that JRH prefers. (He apparently knows nothing about the collateral damage British treatment of the Indians caused to the Brownhearts.)

stfc May 10th, 2008 09:24 AM

Ah, my secret is out.
"Macclesfield Town against Rochdale on a wet Tuesday night in February - that's a proper football match," it enthuses.
For Macclesfield you may substitute Swindon.
willit - I have to disagree slightly. Our enemies have never been either Germany or Russia, except temporarily for a few years. The real enemy has always been 20 miles away across that priceless stretch of water. Why do you think that all the Eurostar staff are French?

Slightly off-topic perhaps, I remember listening to a US family on a bus tour of Toronto asking each other when Canada won her war of independence against the British. I am normally a quiet retiring type but they knew better fairly soon after. Although I had to show them a picture of the Queen on a $20 bill before they really believed me. I gave up though when they decided that the large lake they were looking at was Lake Erie. In the province of Ontario.

willit May 10th, 2008 09:29 AM

Swindon Town were the first football team I ever saw win a game. As I was at Fratton Park at the time, they have always remained an object of mild dislike.

My extended family were horrified at the thought of the Channel tunnel, firmly believing that the day after the hole was complete, there would be several French Armoured divisions on the way through it. I suppose several hundred years of Royal Navy tradition does that to people.

bilboburgler May 10th, 2008 10:02 AM

There was a splendid tv series called Yes Minster which at a point of high international tension pointed out that the civil service had the same enemy of the last 300 years, the French

stfc May 10th, 2008 10:17 AM

Spot on, bilbo. There was more truth in that series than anyone gave credit for at the time. The 'eurosausage' was one I recollect.

You saw Swindon Town win? Treasure the moment.

Cholmondley_Warner May 11th, 2008 03:04 AM

Swindon Town - the last playing club of England's greatest ever footballer - St Glenn.

I like Klinnsman. Do I need therapy? What about Ginola?

stfc May 11th, 2008 03:54 AM

CW, Glenn indeed, although I'm not sure that Klinnsman or Ginola ever graced the hallowed turf of the County Ground except to banish STFC from the Premiership.

As this is about irritating Englishmen it is worth pointing out to the assembled world that next season is the 40th anniversary of Swindon Town's League Cup victory over Arsenal at Wembley, from which they went on to thrash AS Roma and Juventus 4-0 each to win the Anglo-Italian Cup. That might not happen today.


Cholmondley_Warner May 11th, 2008 04:03 AM

All I need to know about Swindon:

http://www.mehstg.com/swindon.htm

Neil_Oz May 11th, 2008 04:08 AM

"I know some very irritating Scots, Welsh and Irish."

I've known a few irritating Jocks and Micks, but the Taffies take some beating. The buggers have contributed little but noisy male choirs, although I've always been a sucker for Under Milkwood.

As the descendant of an irascible Welsh bosun's mate who landed at Sydney Cove in 1799 I say this more in sorrow than in anger.




mjsilver May 11th, 2008 05:33 AM

Some years ago we saw a sort of miniature son et lumiere of the siege of Orleans (a model of the medieval city, with a tiny Joan of Arc, etc., and pretty lights). In the taped commentary, the English were referred to as 'our historic enemies'.

alanRow May 11th, 2008 10:19 AM

<<< Incidentally, why does the guide refer to England only and not the British Isles? >>>

At a guess it's because the book is "The Rough Guide to England" as opposed to the "Rough Guide to Scotland", "Rough Guide to Wales" or "Rough Guide to Ireland"

stfc May 11th, 2008 10:34 AM

I see a competition for the smallest Rough Guide in the world coming up.

stfc May 11th, 2008 10:36 AM

The Rough Guide to Fine Dining in McDonald's for example.

PatrickLondon May 11th, 2008 10:38 AM

<<< Incidentally, why does the guide refer to England only and not the British Isles? >>>

Because they know better than to publish a guide book about "irritating" people from other parts of our archipelago.

Cyberia May 11th, 2008 10:57 AM

Is there any country that cannot be taken to pieces by critics? Britain is full of tourists all year around so despite it's obvious faults, it can't be that bad.

PalenQ May 11th, 2008 11:02 AM

Brits to me seem to be often criticizing themselves, more than other cultures it seems - or really laughing at their piccadillos - FodorBrits are more than proof of this

whether this is an inferiority complex or not is hard to tell or is it just that Britain does SUCK?

Hard to tell.

flanneruk May 11th, 2008 11:52 PM

"inferiority complex or the place sucks?"

Neither. And it's an English trait - not a British one.

We just have high standards, notice when they're not being lived up to and aren't held back by this ridiculous "my country's perfect" and scepticism's unpatriotic" brainwashing lesser nations get drummed into them at school.

Or by the "it's all the fault of the English" cult of victimisation the minor provinces of the British Isles use an an excuse for their endless inadequacies.

sheila May 12th, 2008 01:00 AM

I would just like to point out, from my position of moral, cultural and historical supremacy, that the English are, indeed, irritating.

twoflower May 12th, 2008 01:22 AM

The book illustrates something we already knew the Poms do like no others: they're not afraid to take the p... out of themselves. Hence (as someone questioned) "English writers for the English book".

RM67 May 12th, 2008 04:57 AM

'' it is worth pointing out to the assembled world that next season is the 40th anniversary of Swindon Town's League Cup victory over Arsenal at Wembley, from which they went on to thrash AS Roma and Juventus 4-0 each to win the Anglo-Italian Cup. That might not happen today.''

Anything that happened in black and white doesn't count.


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