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chocolate2346 Mar 26th, 2006 03:28 PM

I use a Canon Power ShotS50 with a 256MB Flash Card. I love it.

One nice thing is that it's black, instead of silver and that if you put black electrical tape over the writing that identify it as a Canon, so it's not as attractive to thieves. (This is a tip I read somewhere, to cover anything that identifies your camera as a name brand camera, because thieves like to go after name brands and if they don't see a name they recognize then they think it's generic).

Neopolitan Mar 26th, 2006 05:13 PM


so, you're saying the SD550 is better than the S2? What zoom does it have? I saw the SD450 for $269 but it is only3X optical. Any real reason to have 7.1 instead of 5 pixels (I think that's what the S2 has)?

Frankly I'm worried more about losing the camera than having it stolen. I lost a good one (pre digital) at Ephesus. Don't ask how. It wasn't stolen, I set it down and walked away -- long story.

I'm trying to figure a thief getting close enough to my camera to check it out and not being smart enough to either remove the tape or figure out what kind it was.

Neopolitan Mar 26th, 2006 05:24 PM

flygirl, I can't find a Canon SD550 on their website. You don't mean an SD540?


Neopolitan Mar 26th, 2006 05:25 PM

Duh, never mind. I did find it, but it only has a 3X optical zoom. I really do want more than that.

flygirl Mar 26th, 2006 05:40 PM

I'd be careful with the zoom. my last camera had more of a zoom (I can't remember the number, maybe 7? possibly 11?) and the higher zooms were usually blurry. more chance of camera shake. you may be better off with less zoom and more megapixels.

others may differ on this view though.

noe847 Mar 26th, 2006 05:54 PM

All 4 members of our family have Canon cameras in the Elph series, and I couldn't be happier with them. I like the pictures my 4mp camera takes better than those of my husband's 5mp. His is much smaller, but I can tuck mine into just about any pocket.

I am a huge fan of Canon optics. We also have a Canon printer and a Canon scanner, not to mention my Canon film camera.

Neopolitan Mar 26th, 2006 06:10 PM

The Canon I'm talking about has "Optical Image Stabilizer". The reading I've done suggests it really eliminates the problem you're talking about flygirl, but I think what you say USED to be true.

Meanwhile I know that on my old camera, it seemed I could have left my zoom on full -- I like taking "closeups" from far away.

Another odd question. I just bought a new HP 2575 Printer Scanner Photosmart. Is any camera going to be more of a problem than another using this printer? Someone suggested that if I stick with an HP camera, I may have better printing results and it will be easier. True or not true?

Jim_Tardio Mar 26th, 2006 06:14 PM

I've been playing with a Panasonic Lumix LX-1...what a fantastic camera.

It has the option of 3 different ratios (image sizes), from wide 16:9 to 3:2. Great resolution at 8+ megapixels, and is extremely compact. It's perfect for traveling light.

Dpreview has a great review of it here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx1/

noe847 Mar 26th, 2006 06:27 PM

Neopolitan, I'm not any kind of expert, but it doesn't make sense to me to buy a camera around the printer. I personally replace my printer more often than my camera. So many things go into a good photo, and the camera is a big part of it. Someone I trust said to get a camera made by a company that makes cameras, and I'd have to agree.

Jim_Tardio Mar 26th, 2006 06:47 PM

I agree with the above post...forget the printer. It's cheaper to have your prints made at someplace like Wal-Mart or Costco. And they won't fade like the ones from a home printer will...and believe me, they will fade.

Neopolitan Mar 26th, 2006 06:49 PM

That's interesting. I'm no expert either and have never had a digital camera. I'm not sure I'll figure out half the stuff of downloading and printing, etc, when I get one.
But just today a guy who knows quite a lot about them said "while most digital cameras are made by camera companies that have had to change their technology to digital, HP is a company that developed its cameras from scratch based totally on digital technology." He doesn't have an HP -- his various cameras are all way high end and he loves Canon. But somehow that seemed to make sense. Maybe not.

I haven't looked at HP cameras, but his comment made me think -- especially if using an HP photosmart camera with an HP photosmart printer will make the whole thing a lot easier for a dummy like me.

Gretchen Mar 26th, 2006 07:05 PM

Neopolitan, the S2 is 5MP plus the extra little zoom.
Flygirl. the reason you are getting blurry is because of shake or digital zoom. Digital zoom is WORTHLESS.
The downloading of digital pictures is done by the camera's software--a no brainer. You can do a lot more, but it is still a no=brainer.

Jim_Tardio Mar 26th, 2006 07:11 PM

Neopolitan...I make a good portion of my living shooting travel stock. An HP camera is the LAST model I'd choose.

And to daisy58...3 years is actually a fairly long life for these new digitals. They aren't like film cameras that you kept forever.

Whatever you buy will be obsolete in 6 to 9 months! That doesn't mean you shouldn't use it. But that's how it is, unfortunately.

Jim_Tardio Mar 26th, 2006 07:13 PM

Neopolitan...upon further thought, an HP camera is probably a re-badged Fuji, Sony or Panasonic model. So it may not be bad. But I'd avoid it all the same...especially when other "name" brands are in the same feature & price range.

Neopolitan Mar 26th, 2006 07:26 PM

OK, good. One less thing to muddy the waters. I'm not even looking at HP.

To be honest, the more I read, there are times when I'm ready to ditch the whole digital idea and just keep my regular old point and shoot which gives me wonderful pictures. I mainly only use a camera for my long trips, usually develop them and put them in an album. I'm not for sharing them a lot, or posting them on the internet or emailing them. And if I still have to take the card to a place and have them printed if I want them to last, then I'm not sure why I need a digital -- especially if it's only going to last me two or three trips. Tell me again, why I should spend several hundred dollars for a new camera and pay even more to develop them than film for my intended use of the thing?

Jim_Tardio Mar 26th, 2006 07:31 PM

It's not more expensive to have prints made from digital than from film. And you can choose which prints you want to have made. With film, you're stuck with the whole roll, plus you pay developing costs which are rising all the time...mainly because fewer & fewer people are using film.

But, no, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using a film camera. I still use an Olympus Epic right along side my DSLRs.

5alive Mar 26th, 2006 08:00 PM

The advantage -- you can take many shots that are experimental and see which ones come out. The ones that don't you aren't stuck developing. I shot hundreds and will delete quite a few from my last trip. Others I may save on my CD, but not ever print.

mileaday Mar 27th, 2006 02:25 AM

I love my Canon A620. It has more bells and whistles than I really need so I still use it as a point and shoot most of the time. But when I take the time to use the many features, I'm amazed at the great pictures I get. Take advantage of the stitch feature. It makes for incredible panoramic pics.

flygirl Mar 27th, 2006 02:34 AM

something else I found out which is intriguing - the new Palm Pilots use the SD cards (maybe the old ones do, not sure) and you can pop your SD card (if you use Canon that is) into it, and view your photos right there. the screen is a lot bigger so you can get a better idea of how they look, right there on your trip.


flygirl Mar 27th, 2006 02:35 AM

ps. Gretchen - exactly! that is what it was. optical is the way to go. but I still think more megapixels is better, assuming it is a good camera to begin with of course.

ira Mar 27th, 2006 02:49 AM

Hi neapolitan,

A digital camera ain't worth nothin' if the lenses are of poor quality.

Be aware of distortion at both full wide angle and full zoom. Also be aware of colored halos around lights.

As noted above, you can make up for a 3x or 4x zoom if you have high MPx, but you have to have some facility with using the photo software.

At the moment I am considering Panasonic FZ5 and FZ7, Canon S2 and Sony H1. These are all 12X with Image Stabilizer, and all in the $300- 350 range.

Although, I do like my Canon A60.

((I))

walkinaround Mar 27th, 2006 03:01 AM

DO NOT buy the canon SD550 unless you want to spend hours in photoshop fixing red eye. the red-eye reduction does not work at all. not a good point and shoot camera and very delicate.

Gretchen Mar 29th, 2006 02:49 AM

There is a good point about keeping pictures for "posterity". I have copied my photos to CDs and now DVDs. You do have to keep copying to the next new medium, whatever it will now be. I am getting ready to copy to an external hard drive. There is now some debate about how long CDs and DVDs will last.
When I have a trip or family event I select and copy my digital pictures (cropped and corrected, etc.) to a CD and take it to Costco to be printed.

Gretchen Mar 29th, 2006 02:50 AM

And there is the added benefit that I am not dealing with stacks and boxes of photos many of which are not real good but I just can't throw away. And for sharing your trip with family, you can send them a CD or DVD.

Pausanias Mar 29th, 2006 04:45 AM

One thing to remember about image stabilization -- it's not a cure all. You will be able to shoot at a slower speed than you normally can, perhaps as much as two stops, but eventually the shake will catch up with you. That is one of the problems with high-powered zoom lenses. At the long end the maximum aperture is quite small, requiring a longer exposure, introducing shake -- even with IS. The other problem is that it is difficult to build a quality lens that can zoom to more than three or four times its original focal length.

The only real solution is unpalatable to most people -- a dslr with heavy, expensive, interchangeable lenses.

If you take land and sea scapes, or shoot in cities, or interiors, you may find that wide angle is what you really want. Unfortunately, few P&S cameras have a lens wider than 35mm. I have an old Ricoh film P&S which has a 28mm.

My suggestion is to go with a camera which has no more than a 3 or 4 optical zoom. Look for low "f" numbers. The lower the number the wider the aperture and the faster the lens. This is typically expressed in a range, say 3.5-5.6. The first number refers to the aperture at the widest angle, the second at the longest telephoto.

dpreview is an excellent site, as is photo.net.

teaberry Mar 29th, 2006 04:58 AM

I_am_kane -

thanks for the web site recommendation - great information

i_am_kane Mar 29th, 2006 05:12 AM

teaberry,

How nice of you...you're welcome

Gretchen Mar 30th, 2006 05:40 AM

Image stablilization in digitals has more to do with being able to take pictures in the 10X OPTICAL zoom range and hold the camera still through the lag time inherent to digitals. While the advice about long shutter times is true I think that, in reality, there are VERY few people using digitals that shoot on aperture priority--mostly auto settings. I still love the capability of shooting with the longer lens.


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