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May 23rd, 2017, 11:10 AM
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"at least in France attacks have polarized public opinion against some types of immigrants"

Typical Yank ignorance of the world outside their own country.

And what Trump said after the April Champs Elysees shooting, when he predicted it would have a "Yuge" effect on the May French election. PalQ's bigoted nonsense shows how widespread Trump's insular worldview is in te US

The Champs Elysees shooting had one one minor political effect: Macron's majority over Le Pen was GREATER than the polls predicted before the shooting.

Similarly: in Germany, the far right's votes have collapsed since the Berlin truck attack before Xmas

"You do not think it may have some influence on the UK elections coming up? None?"

None whatever. Remember: unlike most of the posturers on this site, I spend my spare time canvassing votes on British doorsteps. I listen to public opinion: I don't pontificate on what it ought to be.
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May 23rd, 2017, 12:05 PM
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And what Trump said after the April Champs Elysees shooting, when he predicted it would have a "Yuge" effect on the May French election. PalQ's bigoted nonsense shows how widespread Trump's insular worldview is in te US>

nonsense from the Cotswold Hills - I communicate regularly with real French folks - and they and I think that the reason Le Pen won the first round - quite an achievement for a far-right racist party- was exactly because of revulsion with Moslem immigrants who may become terrorists - in future generations if not now.

and none thought the Champs attack would have a huge effect on the election as those who were voting for Le Pen were a limited number of people- flimflanner has to think in long-terms for effects of these things. that nearly 40% of French votes voted for Le Pen is the result of terrorists attacks and the threat they feel to French culture.

Sometimes dem Cotswold Hills and those estate gates do obscure reality -and in UK the anti-Brexit feeling may be dampened and Brexit enhanced as a factor in elections.

shortsighted - one terrorist event can sway an immediate elecdtion -can't but a series of such events surely do and is the largest reason Britons foolheartedly against their self-interest voted for Brexit.
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May 23rd, 2017, 12:24 PM
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You do not think it may have some influence on the UK elections coming up? None?

It's taking the pressure off Dear Leader who at 10:30pm last night was facing a kicking by the newspapers as she had not only done a U turn on a major part of the May Party manifesto she had announced 4 days before but had just had a prime time interview in which the most charitable view was "she isn't as bad as trump".

As was said after 9/11 - "a good day to bury bad news"
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May 23rd, 2017, 12:27 PM
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Given the number of possible targets in Manchester - Arndale Centre, Trafford Centre, Old Trafford, Ethiad Stadium, Gay Quarter, the MEN Arena on any other nights (Take That were due there for the remainder of this week) the suggestion by some is that the concert was targeted to get at trump as the murder of "beautiful children" seem to be the only thing that makes him act in the ME.
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May 23rd, 2017, 08:15 PM
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Pal - I don't think the Manchurians were affected at all - they live too far away - perhaps you meant Mancusians !!!!!
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May 23rd, 2017, 09:33 PM
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May 23rd, 2017, 11:15 PM
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I am feeling exactly like flanner but there are a bunch of stupid (French/Brits/US, no Belgians thanks) who feel that due to the attacks they have the right to say they are anti muslims.

I dare say less in Belgium because integration has been better than in france where immigrants have been concentrated in some areas or HLM.

And I have no stats but I fear there are inManchester like in BRUXELLES or Nice muslims amongst the dead. Just innocent people blown up like good Christian in a blind attack.

That said I am like PQ too : I would not mind if the plotters of this attack would be shot on the spot.

But again today like yesterday I remember being with my daughter at a Cody Simpson concert. I was one of 10pc of adults. All the rest was 11-15 years girls.
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May 24th, 2017, 12:54 AM
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Some [email protected]@ts from the English Defence League turned up in Manchester yesterday afternoon and were removed by the general public's contempt.
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May 24th, 2017, 02:11 AM
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The vigil in Albert Square last night was intensely moving and was a statement by Mancunians and others that this is not a city to be broken by senseless acts carried out by crazed fanatics.

People across the faiths were there and came together to show that this city will always rise above murderers.
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May 24th, 2017, 01:56 PM
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Pal - I don't think the Manchurians were affected at all - they live too far away - perhaps you meant Mancusians !!!!!>

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