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Munich Trip in April 2012 (Bavarian & Salzburg) - itinerary help please

Munich Trip in April 2012 (Bavarian & Salzburg) - itinerary help please

Old Oct 31st, 2012, 08:57 PM
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Another area that sounds perfect for you and your mom is the Salzgammergut area in Austria and it is close to Munich. You could train to Bad Ischl and take a bus (right outside the rail station) to St. Wolfgang (Think app. 30 minutes of pastoral scenery) A trip to Hallstatt by train from Bad Ischl is convenient. A boat meets the train at the rail station to take you across the lake. A beautiful sight you will never forget. We stayed in fairy tale like St. Wolfgang and did a day trip to Bad Ischl and Hallstatt in one day. St. Wolfgang is on the lake and you can also take the boat to St. Gilgen and other villages around the lake. Have a good trip. By the way, swandav was also a great help to me (and many others) when we went to the Mittenwald, Fuessen, Garmisch area.
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Old Nov 1st, 2012, 08:35 PM
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When you get to the Zugspitze in Garmish check on the weather at the top. If it is socked in you may want to skip it.

When you rent your car in Munich don't pick it up at the train station or airport. They add a 19% surtax for that privilage. I arrange for car rentals in Europe through Gemutlichkeit travel in Oregon, gemut.com. They give me the best deal and good advice.
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Old Nov 2nd, 2012, 02:49 AM
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Coming back to your practical question #3 of your initial post:

YES, you should book winter tires for driving in the Bavarian Alps and the front range hills in early April - though you don't need to get chains.

Winter tires are not only needed for driving thru piles of snow but also on bone-dry or wet roads whenever the temps hover around freezing as their rubber mixture will offer better traction than summer tires.
You can expect any roads you need to take to be free from snow or ice, but there is always a chance for black ice spots here and there in the morning and night hours. Even when the temps during the day are already mild.
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Old Nov 2nd, 2012, 08:50 AM
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Everyone, thank you so much for all your tips and assistance, its been invaluable in my planning!

To be honest, although my mom has been very keen to go to Germany (she passed through it before on a European tour), I have, dare I say it, been avoiding it, choosing to go to other places in Europe as I (1) was stupidly ignorant of its attractions and (2) have haboured a dream of going to Switzerland (still too expensive), thinking the scenert in Germany would be 2nd fiddle to Switzerland's.

The more I learn about Bavaria, the more I am really excited to go, wishing I had more days to spend there. I'm pretty sure that I will be planning another trip there again soon.

If I make the trip to Rothenburg by car, then I plan to set out before 7am and hopefully avoid the worst of the rush-hour traffic.

The Salzgammergut area sounds wonderful too - my mom loves taking a boat on lakes so I will explore that further too and finally decide on which other area to visit apart from Garmisch.

As Oberammergau is on the way to Garmisch, I can just make a quick stop just to have a look around or skip it if running late.

I did enquire with Gemut but even though I selected a time of 6.30am pick up they quoted Avis which opens at 10am, with an extra overnight's rental to return the car at 10am which I don't need. Sitx rates seem quite reasonable and the Karlsplatz location opens at 6am.

Thank you for answering my question about winter tyres. I will definitely order them. I have driven on black ice before and it is the most scariest thing.

I have another question if anyone could help me with please.

I have looked at a lot of menus and many of the dishes offer sauerkraut or potato salad with the protein. I do not like vinegary foods (although I have now found out proper sauerkraut is femented not pickled with vinegar). Anyway, I have got a stupid food phobia about if my food even touches mayo, salad dressing etc I won't eat it. If I ask would it be a problem for them to serve it on the side (my mom can eat it) or subsituting it for mashed potato or something else?

How can I say in German that I don't like this types of food and if they can serve it on a separate plate. Also if they can serve the salad dressing in a separate bowl? I know it's very strange and my friends think I'm being fussy & what's the big deal, but it can ruin a meal for me. I would like to print the phrases and show it to the server so they understand.
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Old Nov 2nd, 2012, 02:34 PM
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That's pretty easy (the foodstuff)

Mayo in German is Mayo(naise) - you will pronounce it French in its full version but even the short form Mayo is extremely common.
Salad dressing is, well, Salat Dressing
XYZ On a seperate plate is "XYZ auf einem extra Teller, bitte" . Or short: XYZ separat, bitte!

Don't feel mocked if waitstuff gives you a big grin, but "Harry and Sally" has been also pretty popular over here

In general, some tourists tend to think that German food is high carb potatos and dumplings because they go to the good ole historical wirtshaus type of inns/pubs. And order the fattest pork knuckles available this side of the Alps. But in addition to the stereotype food, even the old inns will always have light dishes like fish (more popular/typical for Bavaria than you may think because of the many lakes and rivers) or low cal meat like veal.
If you leave aside the old wirtshauses once in a while you will find a ton of restaurants with modern, or modernized Bavarian food which is much lighter on your stomach. But usually no oompah there
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Old Nov 3rd, 2012, 04:26 AM
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Cowboy1968 - thank you that sound easy to remember and managable! I'm sure no-one will be ordering what I'm having though!

Violetduck - I had not considered Hallstatt but seeing the photos of the place have now fallen completely in love with it. It looks like heaven on earth.

What is it like in early April? I guess it's still considered the winter season. I am really tempted to spend a night in Salzburg now and take a day trip to Hallstatt before returning to Munich and then going to Garmisch the next day (all by train/bus).

That would give me an excuse to return to Germany next year and visit Munich again, Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Bamberg etc.
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Old Nov 3rd, 2012, 08:39 AM
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Early April is a very unstable time.
You can't tell if winter is already on its retreat from the higher elevations or not.
And if temps go up this usually means rain, especially on the Northern side of the Alps, which is the "wrong" side for somewhat reliable nice springtime weather at that time.
Things look different on the Southern side, e.g. In Ticino or the Upper Lakes in Northern Italy.
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Old Nov 3rd, 2012, 10:01 AM
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Think about spending more time in Munich, a city with much to see. All those different destinations will really eat up your time with travel from one to another.
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Old Nov 7th, 2012, 03:18 PM
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Hi,

Have you thought about this... train to Garmisch and get the car there?

What I'm seeing is first night in Munich. Nights 2, 3 and 4 somewhere else. Night 5 in Munich and depart afternoon of day 6.

First, the alpine scenery in Bavaria can be as stunning as anywhere else. If a boat trip on a lake and alpine scenery and a castle are a few priorities, I'd suggest:

Either getting the car in Munich OR training to Freilassing, Germany (just outside of Salzburg) and basing for your 3 free nights in the Berchtesgaden area. Take the boat ride on the beautiful/dramatic Konigsee, take a cable car trip on the Jennerbahn (next to Konigsee), visit Salzburg (30 min away from Berchtesgaden) which is easy to see and walk for a day, take a drive to the Salzkammergut (St. Gilgen, Wolfgangsee, etc.) and visit "Mad" King Ludwig's Herrenchiemsee palace on the way back to Munich. It's right between Munich ans Salzburg/Berchtesgaden and the interior is a all that and you'll get another boat ride on the Chiemsee, as the palace is on an island. Plus, Berchtesgaden is a nice old town with a nice pedestrian zone. There's plenty to see and do in this area. We've stayed about 14 nights in this area since 2001 and love it. Just a few idea's.

If interested, we have photo's (3 pages of them) at:

www.worldisround.com/home/pja1/index.html

http://www.berchtesgadener-land.info...1A71EAC9BC5CAF

http://en.berchtesgadener-land.com/e...5,nodeid,.html

Paul
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Old Nov 7th, 2012, 03:21 PM
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I meant to add you could pick up the car in Freilassing, Germany.
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Old Nov 9th, 2012, 06:00 AM
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Paul, thank you - you have given me a lot to think about. Pension Mayringerlehen looks amazing. I wish I had 14 days to explore the area. I think will definitely have to plan to return to the area in 2014 to enjoy those place I didn't visit.

Looks like I have to do some more researching and reading this weekend and come up with a final itinerary. I love planning for vacations so much!
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Old Nov 9th, 2012, 03:40 PM
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Hi puddinggow,

The Pension Mayringerlehen (10 min. from Berchtesgaden) is probably our favorite place to stay anywhere.

www.mayringerlehen.de

In the same area, the Guesthouse Friedwiese is a very close second. We stayed here late Nov. '10, as the Mayringerlehen was closed at this time.

www.friedwiese.de/enska/isl.htm

Have fun planning!

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Marking for later, some great advice here!
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