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AzaliaRazor Jul 26th, 2014 05:27 AM

@jamikins

Thanks, I found that site and I think it should be around 1000-1300 pounds a year for rates, that helps, thanks much. The TV license lists at 145.50 pounds a year, also thanks. The water and sewage I found the site for but can't figure out what an average bill for a 2 bedroom apartment would be accept that it is either metered and fluctuates or set if un-metered.

jamikins Jul 26th, 2014 05:27 AM

You pay your rent to the owner or agency. Usually it is listed weekly so times that by 52 and divide by 12 to get your monthly payment

You pay the tv license to pay for the funding of the BBC (public broadcasting) and everyone that has a tv pays it. Ours is £12 a month. You pay this to the licensor as a direct debit monthly or annually.

You pay council tax to the council separately to your rent.

Usually water is included in your rent.

Other expenses would include satellite, Internet, phones, mobile phones...

Almost all can be set up as direct debits from your bank account.

jamikins Jul 26th, 2014 05:29 AM

I think most water, sewage is included in rent - we own so pay water but didn't when we rented as it was included in our rent. But it could be different in Northern Ireland I suppose.

AzaliaRazor Jul 26th, 2014 05:36 AM

Thank you again, I have looked into the water and unclear about if landlord does that or trash, so sent an email to realtor. It would indeed be great if the rent covered those but just want to make sure.

jamikins Jul 26th, 2014 05:36 AM

Trash is handled by the council and included in your rates.

AzaliaRazor Jul 26th, 2014 05:47 AM

Cool, that is great to know.

bilboburgler Jul 26th, 2014 10:12 AM

Check if energy is included with the rent, often not. An average small house (and UK houses are generally smaller than European average,which themselves are smaller than US ones) will cost you £1200 to heat and light. Phones lines including broadband will come in at £15/month. But Sky TV or BT TV is another cost again (internet multiple TV channels on the internet) but if you want lots of sports then you will need it.

bilboburgler Jul 26th, 2014 10:26 AM

For the purposes of the rest of the world the country is the UK. However within the country has a semi-federal structure (we don't use the word but it helps) and laws vary between the four+, as a result, for instance, getting an abortion on the "NHS" in NI is very difficult, while easy in England.

flpab Jul 26th, 2014 10:51 AM

http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=733
We look at ecpat sites always thinking how great it would be!

flpab Jul 26th, 2014 10:56 AM

That was not very useful, sorry.
http://www.expatforum.com/britain/be...ity-guide.html

Not a very hopping site! When do you go look for apartments? I would want something close to his work and public transportation.

WeisserTee Jul 26th, 2014 11:05 AM

"...will cost you £1200 to heat and light."

a lot of that will depend on how well your home is insulated and weatherized and also on what the winter temps are like. The terraced house where we lived in England had single pain windows and was very poorly insulated. One cold winter, our heating bills topped £300 per month. (There were times when we felt we might just as well open the door every few hours and throw twenty pound notes out onto the driveway.)

If possible, before you sign a lease, ask what the average winter heating bill was for the past year or two. Something we should have done.

WeisserTee Jul 26th, 2014 11:05 AM

...single pane windows (although, given our winter heating bills, maybe single pain was correct)

ribeirasacra Jul 26th, 2014 11:10 AM

Even if you watch TV on a PC or Iwhatever you will still need a tv license.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ33
Explanation of the UK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
Ensure you get it right before you go and you understand teh politics of NI.

Josser Jul 26th, 2014 11:19 AM

Sorry, can't resist. Is he a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?

Gordon_R Jul 26th, 2014 11:32 AM

>>where is best place to .... grab some cocktails,<<

Boy, are you in for a culture shock (do people meet up for "cocktails" anywhere outside the USA and maybe London)... ;)

More seriously though, do take some time to research the history and politics of Northern Ireland, so that you have at least a basic understanding of what the locally sensitive subject areas are. Flying in and giving the impression you thought it was "Ireland" would not get things off to a good start amongst people from the Unionist side of the community.

bilboburgler Jul 26th, 2014 11:48 AM

Josser, I managed to resist :-)

bilboburgler Jul 26th, 2014 11:50 AM

Azalia, it would also be useful to know where in US you are from. Boston would be interesting...

Alec Jul 26th, 2014 01:00 PM

You have heard of 'Troubles' in Northern Ireland? For much of 1970s, 80s and early part of 90's, Northern Ireland saw armed conflict between the militants from both the Nationalist (Catholics wanting union with Republic of Ireland) and Unionist (Protestants wanting to remain part of the UK) sides. There were bombings, shootings and kidnaps and 1000s of people died. While the armed conflict is now over and there is general peace, the religious/political divide still exists and occasionally flares up. There are still areas that are predominantly Catholic Nationalist and Protestant Unionist in the inner areas, though suburbs are largely sectarian-free. As outsiders, you are insulated from all that but you need to be aware that it exists and take care when speaking to people from different communities.
I suggest when you get to Belfast, take the excellent black cab tour (several operators) which will show you both the history and present reality of sectarianism.

ribeirasacra Jul 26th, 2014 02:49 PM

I now see this question has been changed from Ireland to The Untied kingdom. Well done who ever done that :-) Perhaps the OP will now understand a few things a bit better.

flanneruk Jul 27th, 2014 12:35 AM

"An average small house...will cost you £1200 to heat and light."

That's £1200 a year (usually to heat, light and provide cooking gas), which is roughly what we pay. I've spent most of my life in end-of-terrace (so exceptionally cold), small, pre-1900, houses and can't begin to imagine how heating one can come anywhere near the £300 a month one poster alleges. Insulation in the UK is poor by many standards - but £300 a month implies absurdly feckless waste on the tenant's part.

"Phones lines including broadband will come in at £15/month."
About average.

"But Sky TV or BT TV is another cost again (internet multiple TV channels on the internet) but if you want lots of sports then you will need it."
Maybe. If you're in a satellite-connected house, or think it's worth installing a dish (satellite connections are near-ubiquitous in the UK: cable's extremely rare), Freesat gives you hundreds of channels without paying a subscription. I've never seen the point of paying for TV.

"where is best place to shop for food" The nearest supermarket. If you have specialist tastes, google
.
"go to gym"
Google

"grab some cocktails"
Fly to the nearest country such horrors are available. If you can't cope with pubs or wine bars, you've chosen the wrong country.

"from how much average water bill is"
To anyone in the UK or Ireland (Northern Ireland is in both. It's not in the Republic of Ireland, which is NEVER to be called Eire in English. According to the law of the Republic of Ireland, the English for the entity south of Northern Ireland is...the Republic of Ireland. In Northern Ireland, that entity is usually known as The South, or "the 26 counties". Northern Ireland is often called "the Province" in Northern Ireland) your water obsession is incomprehensible.

Northern Ireland manages water charges differently from the rest of the UK. But, for an average household in Northern Ireland, providing water absorbs £160 a year out of general local taxation (there called "rates") which is levied on property, though how it's passed on to tenants in rentals does vary. So water really is a trivial issue in people's budgets.

Low water charges mean NI's water delivery infrastructure is Victorian, and the system has to be changed. How to change it is highly controversial (see a hint at http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-29110674.html) but no changes are going to be made before 2016. Water will continue to be a small - and generally unitemised - part of the local taxes your landlord will pay. He MAY bill you these separately, and it's worth getting that clear upfront.

Non-domestic water supply in NI is managed differently, and it's possible you might end up renting somewhere that's classed as non-domestic.


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