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Música Española: getting to know Spain through her music.

Old Sep 17th, 2009, 04:31 AM
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No, portuense, not really. Both of Amsdon's responses were certainly gracious. There are many forums where posts are filled with errors. I would not dream of commenting on them - the writers are obviously not concerned with correct English. I also would not comment on what are obviously typographical errors. But amsdon's posts were (as I said before) almost faultless. She IS obviously making the effort to write in good English. She may not have been aware of the 'rule' about its/it's, so I thought it would be helpful to mention it. These forums are open to any opinions, and, so long as what is written is not rude or abusive (which I don't think my comments were), I think it is OK to mention mistakes. Look, as I said, these forums are not English exams, but amsdon made the same mistake three times in one post. I looked to see if her email address was open, as I would have preferred to mention it privately, but it was not given in her profile. And, for mikelg, I would not comment on something written by someone whose first language is not English - I think you can tell by the way sentences are constructed.
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Old Sep 17th, 2009, 07:47 AM
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Why you may deduct an English speaker native I´m not it´s something I undertand not.
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Old Sep 18th, 2009, 05:41 AM
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Thanks guys for hanging in there (and for caring portuense & Mike) Bert & I are cool now don't worry.


I for one am ready for the weeken. There's nothing like a Jota to kick up your heels on a Friday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra-cBSQmd1U
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Old Sep 18th, 2009, 07:39 AM
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hi amsdon,

well, thanks for the link but we never got to see the tablao di carmen as we found it too late. the poble espanole where it's situated [lol, that one's for bert] is vast and we wandered around for ages until we gave up and had some supper at a very nice Gallician restaurant. they do have maps, but the maps, though they have a key with numbers on them, don't actually have a list of restaurants etc. to marry up with the key!

then we wandered around a bit more and came across it just as we were on our way out. by then we were "cream crackered" so we didn't bother, and at €35 for the show and a drink each [even more if you have a tapas or a meal] it was a bit outside our comfort zone, especially as it had cost us €5 each to get into the poble in the first place. [that's the price after 8pm, it's about €12 each before then].

the poble itself is very interesting, if seemingly a bit disneyfied at first. I read that the designers toured spain in an ancient vehicle [this was in 1929] to find the most typical and representative buildings from all over the country to reproduce. it did seem a bit rich to be charged to enter what is really a glorified food court/shopping mall but I suppose it keeps out the riff-raff.

there were huge numbers of coaches parked outside but i suspect that they were waiting for people who were watching the magic fountain which turned out to be just along the road.

coming back to the subject of music and flamenco, we did in fact get to see some the next night at the palau di musica catalunya, for which we had booked on line before we went. the programme turned out to be a rather funny mix of flamenco and opera, but fun to watch. and the building is superb with great accoustics. I suspect that the guitar programme the next night would have been better, but who knows?

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Old Sep 19th, 2009, 05:53 AM
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Wow thanks Ann for the info. Do you know what the nam of the programe you saw at the Palau Di Musica?

Yes I know what you mean, but it sounds like you had a fun trip?
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Old Sep 19th, 2009, 08:41 AM
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hi amsdom,

it was called, with a lack of originality I thought "opera y flamenco". if you have a look at the palau di musica website [www.palaumusica.org] you'll find the details for the concert tomorrow night - 20th.

actually the best bit was the orchestra - some very talented young people playing a variety of strings, a piano, guitar, and pecussion of some sort.

yep the trip was fun - I'm doing a TR at the moment if you're interested.

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Old Sep 26th, 2009, 04:21 PM
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Now, when Mikel Laboa has left us and the Basque Country: His friend, Benito Lertxundi, is both a bertsolari out of this world as well as a singer/songwriter of "cohenesque basqueness" that would deserve a broader audience:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M42p...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zwcw...eature=related
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This one (Al Alba/By dawn) has turned out to be something of a hymn to democracy in Spain. It was created as a reaction to the last death penalties of the franquist regime in the fall of 1975 and laid out as a love song to bypass censorship. The flamenco singer José Mercé made his version, and - without knowing what all the fuzz was about - I was quite moved by how the predominatly Spanish and blue-haired audience sang by in the small town of Nerja in October 2004. First, the original and then José Mercé:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vdm2OHdgHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRadQwNsq_Q
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Old Sep 26th, 2009, 10:12 PM
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If many singers of around the world had sung in English rather than in their native tongues, they would have been much more famous.

But international music nowadays is just sung in English, and widely known, had it quality or not.
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Old Sep 27th, 2009, 06:11 AM
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Mike yes I agree.

So glad more people are participating. Want to keep this going.

Ann thank you I will look for your report.
I still remember the original help you gave me in 07.

Kim that must have been emotional to experience.
I also saw this one I am sure you saw it too on You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZ15IpAES4&feature=fvw
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Old Sep 28th, 2009, 07:50 PM
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Two tremendous talents one just recently passed away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Vv9...eature=related
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Old Sep 28th, 2009, 08:40 PM
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Old Nov 8th, 2009, 10:22 AM
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Bernarda Jiménez Peña “Bernarda de Utrera” died in Utrera Wednesday October 28th. She & her famous sister Fernanda, were icons. Though perhaps many Fodorites may not fully understand the role of the singer and the cante in flamenco I thought it is important to note this very big loss in the flamenco community. RIP Bernarda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNT7y...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Goay0lY-Q&NR=1

http://www.deflamenco.com/revista/pa...sp?codigo=2555
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Old Jan 30th, 2010, 09:55 AM
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It's been a while ..hello there.

Re this clip of Jairo Barrul at the Peña Cantes al Aire in Triana (Sevilla) (it was not al aire by the way not even close..lol)

It happens this is the same place, & exact performace we saw on our Oct 09 trip. We found this peña listed in tourist magazine of all places and almost got lost looking for it.
We paid practically nothing to get in and the wine was 3E or so....Yes it was dark, and the smoke unbearable and so hot in there...even next to the window

That said, it was my first time in a real peña with a very flamenco savy crowd. We enjoyed it very very much.

The dancer, is Jairo Barrul who dances in a style & look that is trendy with the younger men these days. His move concentrate on "pellizcos" and footwork. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrlpPENzjM
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Old Mar 28th, 2010, 07:50 AM
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Lola Flores was a popular artist in the 40s/50/60s I do not like what she did in the 70s and 80s but the early stuff was great. She was super famous in my mom's generation. She was a big recording artist of a certain genre rather than hard core flamenco.

There is a palo (type of song or dnace) known as a Zambra which has fallen out of style but were very poular at one time. There are lots and lots of Zambras, just like there are lost of tangos or rumbas. Lola Flores and Manolo Caracol sang alot of Zambras together.

Still Lola certainly did know all about true flamenco, but the commercial genre which was better digested by the general public was where she made her money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Flores

1. Early clip of Lola Flores with Manolo Caracol, Caracol was a great cantaor, with whom she really did have a tumultuous affair that ended badly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCaP...eature=related

2. One of her most famous songs Pena Penita Pena (another Zambra) which shows her at her most typical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQPgQ3vkKrE


3. In her last years towards the end she was included in the Saura film Sevillanas I love this.
She still had so much arte, don't you think? She had so many emotions in her expressive face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iwJPIAixRo


Happy Sunday

Sorry to bombard you!!
See you next Saturday!
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The cantaor Enrique Morente from Granada released his CD "Pablo de Málaga" in 2008. It was inspired by the paintings - but also the texts - of the Málaga-born Pablo Picasso. Here is the last cut "Adios, Málaga", a great homage to the city. His daughter, the equally famous Estrella Morente, recently moved to Málaga. She was warmheartedly embraced by the locals when she did her fathers song during a concert in the city last november.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6TqkaaEKaM
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Old Apr 18th, 2010, 05:52 PM
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Thank you Kim it's lonely out here!! Great link!
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 06:25 AM
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Interesting piece on Jerez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYrc0fl_o-E

These clips show Cristina Hoyos, an icon herself now you may remember her from the opening of the Olympics in Barcelona and also several of the Saura flamenco movies mentioned here in this thread on earler posts.

There are other festivals including the Bienal in Sevilla which talkes place in October every two years and is on the agenda for me for 2012 as a wedding anniversary gift (I just have to tell DH lol).
It's a "busy" looking site but take note it is availa in several languages..

http://translate.google.com/translat...%3Fsl=es&tl=en
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Uxía, a sound of Galicia and a touch of the regions meigas (witches):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZjkW...eature=related
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