Long Trip Report - PARIS...what a dump!

Dec 3rd, 2004, 06:29 PM
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Paris, the city of lights and romance! When did it become the city of the golden showers?

Wow! One of the reasons I love the talk on Fodors. I was in Paris in 1945 as a young soldier (American) and I didn't
anybody urinating in the streets. Although I was accosted by a prostitute who grabbed me by my you-know-whats.
I've been back there four times and am going there Dec 19th till the 7the of January, and I will keep my eyes wide open to assimilate what I have just tried to read ( I couldn't do it all since a lot were repeats).
Vive La Paree...or is iT Peewee!
Dec 4th, 2004, 05:38 AM
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Poor dogbite. I just wanted to let you know that I almost totally agree with you. Many of the people on this site are well traveled and don't realize that once and awhile a "wannabe" slips in. I agree that many Americans think we are the center of the universe and everywhere else is just a satellite. (I will try to refrain from politics). It is a shame the first poster had such a bad first experience in Paris. I won't reiterate all that has been said but one of the most telling comments was that he didn't know that the museums were free on the first Sunday of the month. That's basic Paris info. Perhaps anyone planning a honeymoon should look at this thread and realize there are vacations and trips. Honeymoons are vacations. Paris is a trip (in more ways than one.)
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Dec 22nd, 2004, 11:10 AM
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I've been lurking here, and after reading this and many other posts, I just had to sy something.

One of the things I love more then anything is to travel by motorcycle. In the summer of 1998, I did a tour of France on a rented Moto Guzi 800, and it was really great. Paris, however, was the low point of that trip.

I was very much turned off by the public urination and it was rampant in Paris as pointed out by rippowam. I remember reading a post by sone one who wanted to make a photo calender of guys peeing in public in various regions of france. I would prefer it be pictures of women, but the problem is that in all instances I sighted of public peeing, I only saw this done by men. The women there seem to be much stronger and have much better control, so a sighting of a woman peeing in public in Paris is rare if it occurs at all. which To me, puclic urination is a major sign of weakness. Are French men really so weak that they can't wait until they get to a washroom? Why is it, that French women seem to be stronger, and have much better self-control then French men do? Are the women there really so much stronger then the men, or are the men there such pathetic weaklings, that they will pee their pants in public if they don't let it rip whenever and where ever they feel the urg? And yes, that happens in all major cities through out the world, but it's no less digusting and no less apalling. As a man, I found it shameful, and I can't understand how French men can be so blind to that.

Seriously, are the men in France just too lazy to use the toilet, or are they so weak as to be unable to control themselvs?

No wonder the Nazies walked all over them!

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Dec 22nd, 2004, 04:32 PM
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I've been to Paris and other areas of France 6 times in the past 3 years (each trip for 2 weeks) and have never seen any of this public urinating so often referred to here. Maybe I'm just blind to it?? On the other hand, when I lived in Rome for a year 50 years ago, I saw that (or evidence of it) constantly.
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Dec 22nd, 2004, 05:16 PM
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I was in Paris a few weeks ago and i was amazed about the amount of men relieving themself on the streets and in the Metro!
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Dec 22nd, 2004, 05:22 PM
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I hate to admit this but I HAVE seen one instance of public urination in Paris. It was in the Marais about a year and half or so ago, in the morning, man was obviously drunk in the rue Eginhard vicinity.

But I've never seen dog poo. At least I've never noticed it. C'est la vie!

And Merry Christmas!

And Happy Holidays!
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Dec 24th, 2004, 12:43 PM
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Oh yes, Paris is a dump. That is why so many tourists are dropping Paris from their travel plans this year and going to Milwalkee instead.
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Jan 26th, 2005, 07:54 AM
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Men pissing everywhere? WHERE WERE YOU? I've been to Paris over 24 times and have never shall we say, been EXPOSED. Hey, were you in Pigalle {red light district)? More importantly, did you tell the wife? Beggers, pickpockets, pushy venders (go to Pisa/Rome) smelly in summer, overcrowded, rude people, wonderful people; they are in any major tourist city. It is just part of traveling to major sites. Saw a Police foot chase under the Eiffel Tower after an illegal immigrant keychain vender sooo...cute. Adorable young officer (must have been new) stopped and blushed when he saw me laughing at him. Best religious experience I ever had, eating a "medium done" steak in PARIS with fresh vegetables. (Pascal's near Invalides for the inquiring mind}. And for Allanc's comment, I am a @# something female(o.k. 30 something) that will walk alone in Paris at night along the Seine/Champs and feel perfectly safe minus "petty theft/pickpockets". Walk the streets in Milwaukee after dark and I will get robbed by gunpoint and or shot. I know, live there. My first Paris visit "o.K.", second visit "hated it", third visit "enjoyed it" fourth+ "fell in love with it and the people!" Only advise, go with the flow for every minor bad bump is something positive that you will remember for a life time.
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Jan 26th, 2005, 08:18 AM
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rippowam- Even though I love Paris, I have to give you the comment about the entire CDG staff being JERKS. Most of my bad experiences have been with CDG staff!
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May 2nd, 2005, 09:26 AM
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I'm sorry you didn't enjoy your trip. My first reaction was that you were joking -- or had been to a different Paris than the one I know. Full disclosure: I'm one of those "who absolutely adore Paris," and no stay will ever be long enough.

I'll only respond to one point. The signs at the Louvre are all in French. How arrogant of them! And Paris is in what country?

I live in Washington, D.C., another international tourist destination. I have yet to see a sign at any museum in French, German, Italian, Japanese, Arabic, etc.

On a recent visit to the National Gallery, when I purchased a headset for the audio tour, I asked the docent if they were available in other languages, as I had seen them provided in 4 or 5 languages in Europe. She allowed that that would be a good idea, but they had never done it. But isn't the whole world expected to know English?

I can only go by my experience. I have never been badly treated or disappointed in Paris, but I wasn't expecting it to be a duplicate of the place I live.

Again, I'm sorry your trip was a disappointment. I read your trip report twice, and I can't see anything in your experience that justifies calling Paris a dump.
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May 2nd, 2005, 10:02 AM
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I wonder why this one was brought up again, too.....

Paris is lovely and will always be so. That is why it is number one and why so very many of us continue to go there, year after year........

Perhaps the writer should stay in their perfect place and not travel and complain about places...the places would not miss them, the other tourists would probably appreciate not having to listen to them either.

The world is not perfect, and the people in it are far less perfect, but many, many of us enjoy the travels, the experiences, the differences with open minds to the joys of being able to travel and see the world...then to return to a place that we call home.
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May 2nd, 2005, 10:32 AM
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C'est le vive!

It's a city. Not only did I see a man urinating in public but I did see a woman. Yes, just lift her skirt- go over to the sewer area and go. Couldn't believe what I was viewing, and turned my head so I couldn't tell you if her aim was any good. This was over 20 years ago, and it seems the mores are not changed.

The only other place I have ever seen that happen was at Wrigley Field in Chicago. But at least her girlfriends' stood around her and tried to block the cornor where they stood. Not well, by the way. Another place that I have failed to feel the charm.
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May 2nd, 2005, 11:52 AM
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I cannot believe this thing has actually been resurrected.

To me it proves one thing only: not everybody enjoys/enjoyed Paris.
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May 4th, 2009, 01:08 PM
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As a favor to glen - ttt.
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May 4th, 2009, 01:59 PM
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good if they don't love Paris, it makes the restaurants less crowded with Americans.
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May 4th, 2009, 02:22 PM
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Here's a thought: maybe all that piss killed the trees. My neighbor's dog has killed my shrubs by peeing on them.
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May 4th, 2009, 02:22 PM
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But seriously. like any big city on any night you dine,
depends who is the kitchen that night, the mood of the waiter.
(his love may have left him)and even your mood. I can honestly say, I've had good luck, no rudeness and good meals
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May 6th, 2009, 07:48 PM
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I've seen public urinating in the following cities and certainly wouldn't call them 'dumps'...

New York
West Los Angeles
West Hollywood
San Francisco
...and a few other smaller cities.

I think if one comes from a small town, he/she might be appalled by some of the things that city dwellers are used to. I could be wrong. When I see things like public urination, dog poo, groups of hobos at the metro, drug addicts in the streets, and children selling oranges on sidewalks, I just look away. Can't do much about it.
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May 8th, 2009, 05:00 AM
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sorry you didnt like it
we had a bummer of a trip to prague when we were really looking forward to it
all started with the accommodation
the shonky service and the dishonest face of tourism in that city
happens elsewhere
but you know
im really glad you posted
because now i feel better that if we get the run around in moscow when they choose to pick us up on time or whatever i wont just blame it on russki mentality

ill remember that it happened in the e'er popular paris
hope your next trip works out better
maybe you can laugh about it all one day
( thank goodness we went to croatia after prague and were refreshed by the experience we had there)
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