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PalenQ Mar 21st, 2008 06:01 AM

Though Flaneur's knowledge of geography in the New World is lacking he should know well of some micro-states just offshore ole England that if not practicising Black Moneying seem to do Grey well enough.

Jersey, Guernsey and esp the Isle of Mann

Indeed HMQE2's picture graces coins and stamps in the Channel Islands tax-free havens.

Chicago_Heather Mar 21st, 2008 06:24 AM

"So Lichtehnstein's being beaten up by Angela Merkel's handbag."

Delightful.

Chicago_Heather Mar 21st, 2008 06:28 AM

To paraphase:

"I have a quaint habit of disapproving these days of falling back on pathetic stereotypes to belittle female politicians.

"I know that's hard to explain to a most obsessive (if not quite most successful) practitioner of poisonous sexism. But there you go."

logos999 Mar 21st, 2008 07:09 AM

>Is King Ludwig still on the throne?

No, we're a republic now, but if we ask our fellow countrymen to fight for their freedom against those terrorist prussians all around us, they will follow.

Cowboy1968 Mar 21st, 2008 08:05 AM

Yeah, as soon as they wake up from their weissbier coma.

logos999 Mar 21st, 2008 08:13 AM

Free Bavaria!!

J_R_Hartley Mar 21st, 2008 08:31 AM

I was born in Luxembourg

PalenQ Mar 21st, 2008 10:37 AM

J R

You obviously do not have a 'proper' edication ether

Luxembourg is not Liechtenstein

I think flaneur may even know that

For one thing one's a Duchy and one's a corrupt Principality and rogue state

logos999 Mar 21st, 2008 10:44 AM

Jean-Claude Juncker is one of the few politicians I respect. They don't make them anymore today.

Berlin is the center of corruption and mismanagement in central Europe. It's at par with Liechtenstein.

hhildebrandt Mar 22nd, 2008 01:17 AM

Liechtenstein Bankers offer services sought after by their patrons. Iīm sure they do not offend Liechtenstein laws.

According to German law, you may transfer your money, wherever you want to. As long it derives from taxated income and as long you declare your income on your foreign investments on your income tax declaration.

It is not the task and the responsability of a Liechtenstein banker (same thing with an American banker, administrating German funds) to enforce taxes for the German state.

What is puzzling me is the behaviour of German authorities in the case. I remember the time, when this country was proud on its Rechtsstaatlichkeit or rule of law doctrine.

They use their secret service for external operations - BND or Bundesnachrichtendienst, the one blamed by US authorities for giving them false information - to buy stolen data in Germany. It is said, German authorities have got even more data stolen by other persons. It is said, retired BND personnel was hired by Lichtenstein banks to get back stolen data from the thieves offering them for ransom.

This indicates to me, that there have been operations to get these data for a longer time. In the case of money tranfer to Switzerland, German authorities claimed to know about these by tapping telephone and cellphone calls. So, telephone is no means of secure communication in Germany.

Up to now, there is no fruit-of-the-poisoned-tree doctine in Germany. According to the view of the German Minister of Finance, the stolen data can be used in court. I still hope, Bundesverfassungsgericht or Constitutional Court will put an end to Mr. Steinbrückīs point of view. In former times, German Ministers didnīt need special lessons on Contitutional rights.

The action taken against Mr. Zumwinkel, Chairman of the board of directors of the Deutsche Post AG, also indicates a loss of Rechtsstaatlichkeit:
His house was raided by Steuerfahndung, revenue service personal with special rights similar to those of police officers. They arrested him, a camera team nearbay (who got them there?) filming the scene. An arrest is the proper means to prevent escape, whitewash or repetition, but it is no means to enforce a confession.

The normal procedure would have been, that the Finanzamt (IRS) person responsable had asked him the questions in doubt.

So, the problem isnīt located in Liechtenstein.


Ingo Mar 22nd, 2008 01:34 AM

Agreed 100%!

logos999 Mar 22nd, 2008 01:41 AM

Our only option is to leave the country for good...
Did anybody notice the amount of unconstitutional laws passed in the last few years.

logos999 Mar 22nd, 2008 01:47 AM

>Liechtenstein
Otoh a country who's laws encourage money laundering from drug lords, the mafia and all kind of other foreign criminals isn't on my list of places to go either.


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