Last minute London-Paris ????
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:10 PM
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Last minute London-Paris ????
A few last minute questions about my upcoming trip to London and Paris.
I'll get into Heathrow around noon. Not knowing jet lag, I'm not sure how I'll be feeling so want to take it easy, but what I do want to try to do the first day is this:
1) Hit Boots for toiletries. This recent security shakeup has convinced me to leave all mine at home and just buy them in London. I know I could check them, but I think this "might" be fun. Are all UK toiletries the same as the US? Want something "new!"
2) Get a handful of postcards and stamps to get them back to the US. I don't know if this is something I can do at Heathrow before/after customs or at Boots. Thoughts? I may also send a package of souveniers home, so is there a UPS or FedEx on every corner? Anything better? Staying in Kensington and Westminster.
3) Get tickets to shows. I was recently in Chicago and missed Wicked because I just didn't get on it soon enough. I'm not going to do that in London. Want to see Mary Poppins and Billy Elliot for sure, open to other suggestions Maybe a non-musical. How do I get tickets, either before I go or as soon as I get in. Don't want to wait to the day of.
4) Tube pass/card/whatever. Probably take the Tube from Heathrow, so I probably should get it there, but what are my best options for 6 days?
5) If I haven't already done this, change dollars to pounds. Hoping to do this pre-flight. If not should I do this at the airport?
6) Is there a card/pass for touristy locations? Museums and such. Like the Paris Museum Pass? My only firm plan is Tate Modern, Westminster Abbey and the Eye. Other things as the mood strikes, but if a pass exists that would help narrow some things down. Not looking to save money, but save time.
7) Lastly, for London, I plan to go to Ronnie Scott's Jazz club. Anyone been there, eaten there? Anything to know?
Almost the same plan and questions for Paris. I'll get into Gare du Nord around noon, have a hotel near the Arc de Triomphe. May toss my London toiletries and buy new again. For fun. Where?
1) Not planning on seeing any "shows" but am open to suggestions for things along those lines.
2) Paris Museum Card. Postcards. Stamps. Where?
3) Metro pass for 3 days. Where, best options?
DEN to LHR, where are customs, how are they to get through?
CDG to LHR to DEN, again how are customs and where will I go through?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've learned a lot here and I'm getting that tingly, anxiety thing I'm sure you've all felt before a trip. This is my first outside of North America!
I'll get into Heathrow around noon. Not knowing jet lag, I'm not sure how I'll be feeling so want to take it easy, but what I do want to try to do the first day is this:
1) Hit Boots for toiletries. This recent security shakeup has convinced me to leave all mine at home and just buy them in London. I know I could check them, but I think this "might" be fun. Are all UK toiletries the same as the US? Want something "new!"
2) Get a handful of postcards and stamps to get them back to the US. I don't know if this is something I can do at Heathrow before/after customs or at Boots. Thoughts? I may also send a package of souveniers home, so is there a UPS or FedEx on every corner? Anything better? Staying in Kensington and Westminster.
3) Get tickets to shows. I was recently in Chicago and missed Wicked because I just didn't get on it soon enough. I'm not going to do that in London. Want to see Mary Poppins and Billy Elliot for sure, open to other suggestions Maybe a non-musical. How do I get tickets, either before I go or as soon as I get in. Don't want to wait to the day of.
4) Tube pass/card/whatever. Probably take the Tube from Heathrow, so I probably should get it there, but what are my best options for 6 days?
5) If I haven't already done this, change dollars to pounds. Hoping to do this pre-flight. If not should I do this at the airport?
6) Is there a card/pass for touristy locations? Museums and such. Like the Paris Museum Pass? My only firm plan is Tate Modern, Westminster Abbey and the Eye. Other things as the mood strikes, but if a pass exists that would help narrow some things down. Not looking to save money, but save time.
7) Lastly, for London, I plan to go to Ronnie Scott's Jazz club. Anyone been there, eaten there? Anything to know?
Almost the same plan and questions for Paris. I'll get into Gare du Nord around noon, have a hotel near the Arc de Triomphe. May toss my London toiletries and buy new again. For fun. Where?
1) Not planning on seeing any "shows" but am open to suggestions for things along those lines.
2) Paris Museum Card. Postcards. Stamps. Where?
3) Metro pass for 3 days. Where, best options?
DEN to LHR, where are customs, how are they to get through?
CDG to LHR to DEN, again how are customs and where will I go through?
Thanks in advance for the help. I've learned a lot here and I'm getting that tingly, anxiety thing I'm sure you've all felt before a trip. This is my first outside of North America!
Aug 26th, 2006, 06:22 AM
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OOf!
Start with the immediate thing: check with your bank about using ATMs in the UK and France to draw pounds direct from your US account. This should certainly be possible if you card has a Cirrus symbol on it, or some similar international banking network. This is almost certainly the most cost-effective way to get money in the UK, though it might help to change some dollars on arrival just in case of any problems.
You won't have any trouble working out how to get to immigration and customs when you get off the plane - it's in their interests to get you there as quickly as possible, after all.
Travel in London: I'd get a weekly Travelcard for zones 1 and 2, but search the forums for "travelcard" or "oyster" to see endless exchanges of opinion about precisely what the best bargain is. A lot will depend on whether you want to spend time working out the exact balance between how much use you'll be making of buses and tubes and Oyster prepay, or buying a weekly travelcard from the outset. I think you could probably (depending on the queues) do it all at Heathrow on arrival - ask for a weekly travelcard for zones 1 and 2 with an add-on to get from Heathrow to central London.
Boots are everywhere, including in airport terminals.
Postcards are everywhere. You could ask in the shop selling them if they have stamps, though mostly you would need to go to a Post Office (this could often be a small specialist section of a general-purpose convenience store, as much as a central post office that does nothing else). Likewise ask at a Post Office about sending packages to the US.
For shows, check out http://www.officiallondontheatre.co.uk/ and get a copy of Time Out to read on the way in from Heathrow.
Most museums in London are free. I don't know how many of the attractions you want to see are involved with the London Pass, but there seems to be a strong view that it may not be worth the money for a lot of people.
For toiletries in Paris, you can spend the earth, of course. Any chain supermarket might look interestingly different, I don't know; more upmarket (and accordingly pricey) are L'Occitane en Provence (they also have shops in London) and Sephora, but they won't be on any street corner, unlike Monoprix. Or you could go to the big department stores like Galeries Lafayette or Au Printemps.
In Paris, postcards are everywhere, and when you by them you can ask where the nearest place for stamps is. Often a street corner newspaper stand, especially if it's selling tobacco as well, will have some.
For travel in Paris:
www.ratp.fr and click on the link for "international passengers". A Paris Visite card for three days would be simplest.
Start with the immediate thing: check with your bank about using ATMs in the UK and France to draw pounds direct from your US account. This should certainly be possible if you card has a Cirrus symbol on it, or some similar international banking network. This is almost certainly the most cost-effective way to get money in the UK, though it might help to change some dollars on arrival just in case of any problems.
You won't have any trouble working out how to get to immigration and customs when you get off the plane - it's in their interests to get you there as quickly as possible, after all.
Travel in London: I'd get a weekly Travelcard for zones 1 and 2, but search the forums for "travelcard" or "oyster" to see endless exchanges of opinion about precisely what the best bargain is. A lot will depend on whether you want to spend time working out the exact balance between how much use you'll be making of buses and tubes and Oyster prepay, or buying a weekly travelcard from the outset. I think you could probably (depending on the queues) do it all at Heathrow on arrival - ask for a weekly travelcard for zones 1 and 2 with an add-on to get from Heathrow to central London.
Boots are everywhere, including in airport terminals.
Postcards are everywhere. You could ask in the shop selling them if they have stamps, though mostly you would need to go to a Post Office (this could often be a small specialist section of a general-purpose convenience store, as much as a central post office that does nothing else). Likewise ask at a Post Office about sending packages to the US.
For shows, check out http://www.officiallondontheatre.co.uk/ and get a copy of Time Out to read on the way in from Heathrow.
Most museums in London are free. I don't know how many of the attractions you want to see are involved with the London Pass, but there seems to be a strong view that it may not be worth the money for a lot of people.
For toiletries in Paris, you can spend the earth, of course. Any chain supermarket might look interestingly different, I don't know; more upmarket (and accordingly pricey) are L'Occitane en Provence (they also have shops in London) and Sephora, but they won't be on any street corner, unlike Monoprix. Or you could go to the big department stores like Galeries Lafayette or Au Printemps.
In Paris, postcards are everywhere, and when you by them you can ask where the nearest place for stamps is. Often a street corner newspaper stand, especially if it's selling tobacco as well, will have some.
For travel in Paris:
www.ratp.fr and click on the link for "international passengers". A Paris Visite card for three days would be simplest.
Aug 26th, 2006, 06:35 AM
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Hi B,
>change dollars to pounds. Hoping to do this pre-flight. If not should I do this at the airport?<
Some folks like to change about $75 into foreign currency at the departure airport so that they don't have to look for an ATM machine upon arrival.
Otherwise, you should get all the GBP and Euro you need from ATMs.
>Metro pass for 3 days. Where, best options?<
Paris is a very good walking city. We have never used more than one 10 ticket carnet (11.5E) pp/week.
Enjoy your visit.
Don't worry about Customs. The lines are at passport control.
You will have your passport checked in the UK, both ways.
Enjoy your visit.
>change dollars to pounds. Hoping to do this pre-flight. If not should I do this at the airport?<
Some folks like to change about $75 into foreign currency at the departure airport so that they don't have to look for an ATM machine upon arrival.
Otherwise, you should get all the GBP and Euro you need from ATMs.
>Metro pass for 3 days. Where, best options?<
Paris is a very good walking city. We have never used more than one 10 ticket carnet (11.5E) pp/week.
Enjoy your visit.
Don't worry about Customs. The lines are at passport control.
You will have your passport checked in the UK, both ways.
Enjoy your visit.
Aug 26th, 2006, 07:15 AM
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London Tube pass: get an Oyster card with a 7-day, 2-zone Travelcard loaded on it, plus £2 - £3.60 for Heathrow extensions (the exact amount will depend on when you travel). Here are some maps:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/cen_bus.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf
There is a LondonPass.com that purports to save money on sights, but unless you're planning a really rigorous itinerary, forget it. Most of the very top attractions are free anyway (with the notable exceptions of the Tower and Eye).
For transport in Paris: if you will board a bus or go into the Métro/RER more than four times on a given day, buy a <i>Mobilis</i> pass for that day. You can have a very nice overview tour with a €5,50 card and this map:
http://www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan...aux&fm=pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/cen_bus.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf
There is a LondonPass.com that purports to save money on sights, but unless you're planning a really rigorous itinerary, forget it. Most of the very top attractions are free anyway (with the notable exceptions of the Tower and Eye).
For transport in Paris: if you will board a bus or go into the Métro/RER more than four times on a given day, buy a <i>Mobilis</i> pass for that day. You can have a very nice overview tour with a €5,50 card and this map:
http://www.ratp.info/orienter/f_plan...aux&fm=pdf
Aug 26th, 2006, 07:31 AM
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>>>>>
Hit Boots for toiletries. This recent security shakeup has convinced me to leave all mine at home and just buy them in London. I know I could check them, but I think this "might" be fun.
....Are all UK toiletries the same as the US?
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boots = walgreens at 170% the cost. i really don't understand why someone would want to spend valuable holiday time shopping in an ordinary store like boots that is really not much different from a walgreens or cvs that they have at home. i don't see the fun. the brands will be mostly the same except smaller sizes at greater cost.
for theatre tickets, check out www.lastminute.co.uk they might have something you are interested in but they will not have the hottest shows. also check out www.nationaltheatre.org for shows that are generally much higher quality than you will see in the west end.
Hit Boots for toiletries. This recent security shakeup has convinced me to leave all mine at home and just buy them in London. I know I could check them, but I think this "might" be fun.
....Are all UK toiletries the same as the US?
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boots = walgreens at 170% the cost. i really don't understand why someone would want to spend valuable holiday time shopping in an ordinary store like boots that is really not much different from a walgreens or cvs that they have at home. i don't see the fun. the brands will be mostly the same except smaller sizes at greater cost.
for theatre tickets, check out www.lastminute.co.uk they might have something you are interested in but they will not have the hottest shows. also check out www.nationaltheatre.org for shows that are generally much higher quality than you will see in the west end.
Aug 26th, 2006, 08:28 AM
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Here is a link to a very helpful article about changing money in Europe, including what you need to do BEFORE leaving home to be sure your credit cards and ATM cards will work in Europe: http://tinyurl.com/k3vy6.
One small correction to ira's post: A ten-ticket carnet for the Paris Metro costs E10.90.
Here is the URL for the Paris Museum Pass: www.parismuseumpass.com.
One small correction to ira's post: A ten-ticket carnet for the Paris Metro costs E10.90.
Here is the URL for the Paris Museum Pass: www.parismuseumpass.com.
Aug 26th, 2006, 08:35 AM
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Cosmetics in London are expensive, even the "cheap" ones. Figure double and then some for everything. You can take cosmetics in checked luggage (and actually I believe you can take cosmetics TO the UK, it's the flights FROM the UK to US that limited hand baggage. Lipstick, compact powder & blusher are ok going as far as I know as of now. Coming back you fly "without". No liquid makeup or mascara or gel like stuff tho. Take a look at British Airways website for UK rules, also look at US Security site for their rules.
As for things like shampoo, etc. pack them in small plastic bottles, then triple wrap them in plastic baggies.
You will be tired when you arrive, is the first thing you want to do really go out looking for shampoo ???
Don't plan on getting tickets to top shows if you did not book in advance. I always use TicketmasterUK and Yes, you do pay a fee, but it's no worse then fees charged in the US when you buy tickets for shows/concerts.
Pack you toiletries in plastic bags and take them to Paris.
As for things like shampoo, etc. pack them in small plastic bottles, then triple wrap them in plastic baggies.
You will be tired when you arrive, is the first thing you want to do really go out looking for shampoo ???
Don't plan on getting tickets to top shows if you did not book in advance. I always use TicketmasterUK and Yes, you do pay a fee, but it's no worse then fees charged in the US when you buy tickets for shows/concerts.
Pack you toiletries in plastic bags and take them to Paris.
Aug 26th, 2006, 08:58 AM
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Yeah, I know, not really a "few" questions. My appologies and thanks for the replies so far.
My bank debit card and my credit card will both work in Europe and the credit card is one of those "smart" cards talked about in the thread about them not always working. I'm not too worried. I will for sure try to change some here in Denver before the flight.
Awesome article about changing money and getting more from ATMs! Thanks!
Is the Heathrow Terminal 4 Tube station re-opened yet?
The first time I went to Canada I didn't take toiletries because I had this weird belief that they would be different and exotic. Beer or poutine flavored toothpaste or whatever. Other than having French instructions, they weren't different. Later trips I just took my regular stuff. My wanting to buy them in London is for the same reason, or was. I've never been to London so I don't know what there are for toiletries. Maybe a fish and chips flavored toothpaste? If it's mostly the same, I'll probably just take stuff from home. I'm not an experienced world travler, so all of this is new and exciting to me. Just wanted to get a "Welcome to London" kit with postcards, stamps, travel and show tickets and what not. Not a big deal, but didn't plan to spend hours at Boots. I hope not to need mascara! That would get some looks!
Is it possible or advisable to get any of these travel, show or museum tickets/passes before I leave? I will look at Tickemaster for sure.
Thanks again everyone! Most helpful. I turn 40 the day before I leave, so this is a birthday present to myself. Hoping to see more of the world in the second 40.
My bank debit card and my credit card will both work in Europe and the credit card is one of those "smart" cards talked about in the thread about them not always working. I'm not too worried. I will for sure try to change some here in Denver before the flight.
Awesome article about changing money and getting more from ATMs! Thanks!
Is the Heathrow Terminal 4 Tube station re-opened yet?
The first time I went to Canada I didn't take toiletries because I had this weird belief that they would be different and exotic. Beer or poutine flavored toothpaste or whatever. Other than having French instructions, they weren't different. Later trips I just took my regular stuff. My wanting to buy them in London is for the same reason, or was. I've never been to London so I don't know what there are for toiletries. Maybe a fish and chips flavored toothpaste? If it's mostly the same, I'll probably just take stuff from home. I'm not an experienced world travler, so all of this is new and exciting to me. Just wanted to get a "Welcome to London" kit with postcards, stamps, travel and show tickets and what not. Not a big deal, but didn't plan to spend hours at Boots. I hope not to need mascara! That would get some looks!
Is it possible or advisable to get any of these travel, show or museum tickets/passes before I leave? I will look at Tickemaster for sure.
Thanks again everyone! Most helpful. I turn 40 the day before I leave, so this is a birthday present to myself. Hoping to see more of the world in the second 40.
Aug 26th, 2006, 09:03 AM
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Billy Elliot is probably still a very hot ticket and if you have your heart set on seeing it, you better buy the ticket NOW, TODAY, online. Don't wait.
With the exchange rate between the dollar and the pound at almost 2 (dollars) for 1(pound) EVERYTHING from tooth paste to fish will cost almost double. Bring what you can. Save purchases for things you can't get at home.
Happy birthday!
With the exchange rate between the dollar and the pound at almost 2 (dollars) for 1(pound) EVERYTHING from tooth paste to fish will cost almost double. Bring what you can. Save purchases for things you can't get at home.
Happy birthday!
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b_in_d; I try to stock up on cosmetics when I'm in the US, as they are so much more expensive in Europe, even more so in London. And I don't know about you, but I would rather not try something new on holiday, as I get allergic reactions to some cosmetics.
If there's a show you really want to see, get tickets now. You will be able to see on Ticketmaster and other sites like that if the show you want to see is likely to be sold out. My daughter and I loved Mamma Mia. If weather is good (which seems doubtful at the moment), have a look at the Open Air Theatre in Regents Park.
If there's a show you really want to see, get tickets now. You will be able to see on Ticketmaster and other sites like that if the show you want to see is likely to be sold out. My daughter and I loved Mamma Mia. If weather is good (which seems doubtful at the moment), have a look at the Open Air Theatre in Regents Park.
Aug 26th, 2006, 09:07 AM
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If the show is not sold out the easiest and cheapest thing to do is to call the box office from the US - you pick the tickets up at the theatre the day of the show. http://www.officiallondontheatre.co.uk/ will give you the phone numbers. See http://www.theatremonkey.com/ for info on the best seats. There's also the half-price TKTS kiosk in Leicester Square for day-of-show tickets. (Make sure you use the kiosk, not the shops claiming to half-price tickets.)
Aug 26th, 2006, 09:15 AM
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Billy Elliot is at the Victoria Palace. I can get tickets on September 15th, but I'm not sure the best location to sit. It gives me Stalls, Row C if I say best available, but I'm not totally certain if this is the best. Looks like 3 rows back from the stage, but I wouldn't see a movie in the 3rd row. Any thoughts about where to sit? They also have Dress and Grand Circles.
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Happy birthday! I can't think of a better way to treat yourself than taking a trip to Europe.
If you exchange dollars for pounds in Denver, the rate will be terrible. You'll get a slightly less terrible rate if you get pounds at Heathrow, but I don't recommend doing that either. Take a few hundred dollars in cash to exchange only in an emergency, but plan to bring it all home untouched. Get pounds from the first ATM you see at Heathrow.
If you're ready now to commit to booking shows in London, do what PatrickLondon suggests and use the Official London Theatre site.
There is no advantage to getting travel passes or museum passes in advance. Follow Robespierre's advice about getting an Oyster card and loading it with a seven-day travelcard plus extensions for Heathrow.
Go to www.tfl.gov.uk to download and print a London Tube map. Go to www.ratp.fr to download and print a Metro/RER map for central Paris.
It appears that you are going to fly from Paris to London to Denver. If you take the RER B from Paris to CDG, be aware that the B line divides northeast of Paris so be sure to get on a train that is going to the airport.
If you exchange dollars for pounds in Denver, the rate will be terrible. You'll get a slightly less terrible rate if you get pounds at Heathrow, but I don't recommend doing that either. Take a few hundred dollars in cash to exchange only in an emergency, but plan to bring it all home untouched. Get pounds from the first ATM you see at Heathrow.
If you're ready now to commit to booking shows in London, do what PatrickLondon suggests and use the Official London Theatre site.
There is no advantage to getting travel passes or museum passes in advance. Follow Robespierre's advice about getting an Oyster card and loading it with a seven-day travelcard plus extensions for Heathrow.
Go to www.tfl.gov.uk to download and print a London Tube map. Go to www.ratp.fr to download and print a Metro/RER map for central Paris.
It appears that you are going to fly from Paris to London to Denver. If you take the RER B from Paris to CDG, be aware that the B line divides northeast of Paris so be sure to get on a train that is going to the airport.
Aug 26th, 2006, 09:40 AM
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Thanks Tim!
Good idea about taking US currency for emergencies. Would travelers checks be safer?
Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm a time phobe on travel days. I end up at airports at least 3 hours early. I blame the Army for that. I am staying at the CDG Hilton my last night just to help avoid the anxiety.
Thanks again to everyone! I'm starting to get even more excited.
Good idea about taking US currency for emergencies. Would travelers checks be safer?
Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm a time phobe on travel days. I end up at airports at least 3 hours early. I blame the Army for that. I am staying at the CDG Hilton my last night just to help avoid the anxiety.
Thanks again to everyone! I'm starting to get even more excited.
Aug 26th, 2006, 10:00 AM
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Don't sit in the Grand Circle at the Victoria Palace if your legs are more than six inches long. The leg space is TINY - I am only 5' 4" and I found it unbearable. Wouldn't worry too much about being close to the stage, theatre isn't like a movie, after all, much more intimate experience where being close up is an advantage.
Boots is as good a place as any to buy toiletries but when I come to the US I always stock up there because it's much cheaper your side of the pond.
For fun experience at theatre try The Boyfriend (British musical, very quaint) at the Open Air Theatre in Regent's Park or The Comedy of Errors at The Globe (also open air), if you're into Shakespeare. If you want the authentic Elizabethan experience be a 'groundling' and stand in front of the stage but only if you can last on your feet for two and a half hours. I would recommend buying a seat, at least you get some cover if it rains.
It's a good idea to book the Eye in advance as queues can get very long at this time of year. You can do it online at www.londoneye.com
Ronnie Scotts has recently been refurbished and I haven't been there since, but no-one ever went there for the food...
Boots is as good a place as any to buy toiletries but when I come to the US I always stock up there because it's much cheaper your side of the pond.
For fun experience at theatre try The Boyfriend (British musical, very quaint) at the Open Air Theatre in Regent's Park or The Comedy of Errors at The Globe (also open air), if you're into Shakespeare. If you want the authentic Elizabethan experience be a 'groundling' and stand in front of the stage but only if you can last on your feet for two and a half hours. I would recommend buying a seat, at least you get some cover if it rains.
It's a good idea to book the Eye in advance as queues can get very long at this time of year. You can do it online at www.londoneye.com
Ronnie Scotts has recently been refurbished and I haven't been there since, but no-one ever went there for the food...
Aug 26th, 2006, 10:04 AM
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The downside to booking the Eye in advance is that if your scheduled flight takes off in rain and fog, you won't get your money's worth.
We've always bought tickets on a walk-up basis when the weather was good, and never had to queue more than a few minutes.
We've always bought tickets on a walk-up basis when the weather was good, and never had to queue more than a few minutes.
Aug 26th, 2006, 10:18 AM
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I'll see about sitting near the stage then. I'm 6'1", so more room would be great.
OK! I'll take toiletries!
Any recommendation near Ronnie Scott's for dinner? I've heard the area is kind of youthful clubby, so I'm willing to have dinner further away if that's better.
Thanks again everyone!
OK! I'll take toiletries!
Any recommendation near Ronnie Scott's for dinner? I've heard the area is kind of youthful clubby, so I'm willing to have dinner further away if that's better.
Thanks again everyone!
Aug 26th, 2006, 10:20 AM
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Assuming you'll have a secure place (like a money belt or neck pouch) to keep the pounds and euros you'll be getting from ATMs, use it for your emergency US dollars, too. Travelers checks are best as another emergency source but not for much else. Few businesses accept them and the banks that do will charge you plenty for cashing them.
