Just curious: Kids at the Moulin Rouge?

Oct 24th, 2005, 10:25 PM
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MaddieAstrid. I feel like you are good at heart and just wanted your niece to have a good time. I appreciate that you took our criticism in very good spirits instead of stomping off w/ "I'll NEVER post on Fodors again" like some would.

BUT "she begged me to take her, and I didnít see the harm is very, VERY sad/troubling. Kids beg to do all sorts of things. That does not mean they should - or that the adult should even consider it. Please, use more common sense next time . . . . .
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Oct 25th, 2005, 01:16 AM
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What was an 8-yr old doing up that late?

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Oct 25th, 2005, 02:54 AM
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I have no idea what the show is like so I can't say whether or not it is appropriate or not. I do agree that when I go out to a grown-ups entertainment I hate to have kids around as it spoils the atmosphere for me.
However, when I was raising my son I kinda (within limits of course) took the attitude that if he didn't understand something fully and it went over his head, where's the harm, and if he does understand something fully then there's no point trying to shield him from it!
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Oct 25th, 2005, 03:01 AM
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I've always found women entertaining! I don't know that society thinks watching attractive women prance around taking their clothes off to be entertaining, but most men do (can't speak for women, though I'd imagine a high percent of lesbians might enjoy it). And many male strippers do seem to be able to make a living by catering to women's fantasies.

We're designed to be sex objects for one other--otherwise none of us would be here. Of course, we are not designed to be ONLY sex objects for one other, but it is one facet of the way we are all wired.

But I don't think it's appropriate entertainment for an 8-year old.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 03:13 AM
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I wish my aunt took me to moulin rouge when I was 8. She didn't. I've never overcome from that situation
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Oct 25th, 2005, 04:19 AM
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For other considering this: Before spending that kind of money at the Moulin Rouge, a test run with your young child at a local strip club close to home might be a good idea.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 04:40 AM
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I really don't think the Moulin Rouge is the same as a strip club. It's a show, with some spectacular costumes and scenes, and some topless women dancers. An 8-year old will not focus on nudity, but just see the show. I'm not sure if I would have taken my daughters at that age, but I really don't think that this will cause any lasting damage.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 04:51 AM
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I wouldn't have taken my son (or if I had a daughter) to the MR at that age either. But how many of you who 'shouted down' MaddieAstrid have been to the Moulin Rouge? It is not-as Tulips stated-a 'strip club'.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 05:10 AM
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I've never been to the Moulin Rouge but imagine it would be similar to some of the Las Vegas reviews where there are fabulous costumes and some nudity (at least bare breasts) and I think I've seen families there. It's a great spectacle and I might feel pretty comfortable taking my 8-year-old niece. I assume MA would have (as I would have) explained to her niece beforehand what she would be seeing and asked if she was still interested in going. I'd certainly rather take her to that than to an animal circus.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 05:17 AM
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The Moulin Rouge was not my choice; it was my aunt's. I had never thought of visiting the MR before that trip and I won't be going back. However, I was expecting a strip club type of show and had read negative things about it before the trip, but I was pleasantly surprised that it was a variety show. I've never seen a Vegas show but it sounds like that's what it's similar to.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 05:47 AM
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I didn't go to the show at the Moulin Rouge, but looked at the outside marquee pictures and brochures. It looks exactly like the hokey Vegas Shows that busloads of senior citizens go see. I don't think the show itself is anything that would upset a child. Now, the area around the Moulin Rouge is an area I would not take my child. I was amazed to see families walking around that area in the evening looking in the windows of the several sex shops. I do realize that Europeans have a different view of sex than Americans, so who am I to judge?
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Oct 25th, 2005, 05:55 AM
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I've been to the Moulin Rouge show...the same one that many of the same people who have responded on this thread have summarily dismissed as "that kind of show" or that show "that is filled with Japanese tourists" and so forth and so on.

It is, if anything IMO, a well-produced and well-presented show of its type and as good, if not better, than many of the shows in Vegas, all of which have been patterned after this one.

If you wish to dismiss it without having seen it that's entirely up to you.

As to the so-called "mature 8-year-old"..that's about as oxymoronic as it gets.


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Oct 25th, 2005, 06:13 AM
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I agree that the 'cabaret' shows are not anything like a strip club, and I've been in both. My point was simply that there should be some entertainment and relaxation venues for adults where children simply don't belong.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 06:18 AM
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Well, Travelnut, that's a different issue. Am I right in saying that families go to the Las Vegas reviews? If that's the case (and if children are allowed at the Moulin Rouge), then I guess they're no longer considered adult-only shows. I don't think it would bother me if the kids were well-behaved.

And Voyager, I took MA to mean 'mature for an 8-year-old'.

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Oct 25th, 2005, 06:25 AM
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Did the "mature" and "worldly" 8 year old have a brandy after the show?
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Oct 25th, 2005, 06:46 AM
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MA, We went to a show at The Moulin Rouge many years ago and didn't see anymore than I have seen at many beaches around the world.

Unless you shield a 8 year old from beaches, TV and even what is being taught in schools, you did no wrong.

In Massachusetts 6-8 year old pupils in school, are being shown how males/males and females/females make love with each other.

They are told having 2 moms or 2 dads, is perfectly normal. Today it is a different mind set! Keep a stiff upper lip.

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Oct 25th, 2005, 07:03 AM
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I don't think most responders here are shocked by nudity, nor are they saying that children can't have appropriate discussions about the human body and about sex.

That is far different from a flashy, provocative show, with the audience encouraged to be drinking, all so that scantily-clad or half-naked women, chosen for the size of their breasts, can flaunt and tease while the lights flash and the music pounds. THAT to me is not an example for an impressionable girl.

Showy and expensively-produced, yes. Maybe even fun for grownups once, as a seen-it done it.
But it's ADULT entertainment.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 07:07 AM
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By the way, having loving, responsible parents of any configuration IS, "perfectly normal", and is irrelevant imo to taking children to adult entertainment.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 12:05 PM
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Yes, I have seen a Moulin Rouge show. I agree that it is hardly porn, but it is set in an atmosphere for adults. The local bar down the street from my home is pretty tame, but I wouldn't bring in an 8-year-old and prop her up on a barstool. These kinds of places were not meant for children.
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Oct 25th, 2005, 12:38 PM
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Is MaddieAstrid a woman? I'm assuming she is. However, I would be deeply disturbed if M.A. was a man who took his eight year old niece to see female nudity because he claimed "she begged me to." So if I'm bothered that an uncle would do it, then I don't think it's much more acceptable just because it's an aunt.
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