Just curious: Kids at the Moulin Rouge?

Oct 24th, 2005, 01:17 PM
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Just curious: Kids at the Moulin Rouge?

I took my niece, age 8, to the Moulin Rouge which was the highlight of her last trip to Paris. I have absolutely no regrets about taking her, but she is a very mature, or at least worldly, 8-year-old. However, from the reactions of several of my friends, co-workers and most importantly, her grandmother, you would think I had taken her to an X-rated movie. Anyway, I am just wondering if anyone has any thoughts.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 01:50 PM
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yeah, it's nothing I would take a child to as I think it is an inappropriate message regarding women and "entertainment" and why society thinks entertainment consists of paying to watch women with no clothes. Or why women take money to do that. I wouldn't take children a lot of places that others do, but I don't think it is going to scar someone for life.

They do actually have a children's show at Moulin Rouge, I think, in the afternoon. Is that the one you attended?
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Oct 24th, 2005, 01:51 PM
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oh, I don't think it's appropriate for an 8 year old to be "worldly"
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Oct 24th, 2005, 02:35 PM
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I'm from the camp that adult entertainment is for adults... that goes for a lot of movies, evening concerts, special restaurants...

I was horrified to see parents walking along Bourbon Street (New Orleans) with small children.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 02:44 PM
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What is the purpose of this post? Are you trying to get others to agree with you so you have ammunition against friends and family members who think you may have made a poor judgment call?
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Oct 24th, 2005, 03:00 PM
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Not sure why you're "just curious," since it's al aready done deal, but since you ask no, I don't think this is an appropriate venue for an 8-year-old, "wordly" or not (and I agree who wants a "wordly" 8-year-old?).

I don't think it's obscene or anything, it's just that it's a show for adults, period. And it isn't because of the nudity - taking an 8-year-old to a topless beach in France would be just fine with me - it's about teaching kids about the role of women while they are still impressionable.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 03:08 PM
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You are just plain daft. I wouldn't refer to an 8-year-old as "worldly." Blimey, there are high-priced prostitutes I know that I wouldn't apply that term to. Is your neice having an affair with the dictator of a third-world country, snorting coke from silver trays, and sipping Krug whilst shopping for lingerie at Dior? That is my definition of "worldly."
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Oct 24th, 2005, 03:15 PM
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Sorry MarieAstrid: I think you used VERY poor judgement. Not because the show is lewd - it isn't actually. But it is just NOT a place for kids. Both for her benefit and for the other adults in attendance - just not a place for children!

Just because a child CAN go somewhere doesn't mean she SHOULD.

I'm afraid Grandma, your friends and co-workers are right.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 03:17 PM
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Sorry - that should be "MaddieAstrid"
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Oct 24th, 2005, 03:43 PM
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Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill--it's just a single show, not a life-changing event. I doubt that an eight-year-old would even remember it very well after a few months, any more than she might remember any other stage show she might see. And I seriously doubt that it would have any effect on her developing psyche, good or bad.

That said, it's debatable whether the show is worth seeing, even for adults. But the idea that it will somehow corrupt a young mind is extremely farfetched, and if I may say so, it also sounds typically American. Americans seem to have serious problems with anything that can be even remotely construed to have anything to do with sex.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 04:11 PM
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AnthonyGA: no one said it would corrupt the child. Almost everyone simply said it wasn't an appropriate place for a child. (And I am pretty sure the other customers didn't think much of having a kid sitting there.)
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Oct 24th, 2005, 04:31 PM
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the wondering was "if anyone has any thoughts."
Yes, we do.
Mine is, I disagree with having taken her there, and, I think that worldly is not something to brag about in an 8-year old.
Not only do I not like the message it gives a young girl, in agreeing with Christina, but as an adult I don't want children around me when I'm doing adult things.
THAT was the highlight of her trip?

As for wanting strangers' thoughts, what good will it do? It's not a scientific survey nor a random sample of opinion.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 05:13 PM
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If that was the highlight of her trip to Paris you obviously missed most of the things she shoulde have been seeing.

Others are right - this is not a matter of nudity - many beaches in europe are topless or nude - and in that context it's perfectly normal. It is about why a 8-year old should see naked women as "entertainment". Have you ever though her mind needs developing? Or do you plan for her to have a career as a stripper?
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Oct 24th, 2005, 06:03 PM
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My Thoughts :

How sad, for an 8 year old little girl to be "worldy"...
I have always wished that my children had not grown so fast, had stayed innocent children longer..I would have hated it if they had an aunt who took them to see something like the Moulin Rouge.
I think you need to read up a bit on child raising and what is appropriate..obviously, you have no children of your own?
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Oct 24th, 2005, 06:06 PM
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Worldly - I only meant that she is well-traveled, knows more of the world than most eight-year-olds, and has not been particularly sheltered. She loves music and the theater, she wants to be a performer, and yes, she enjoyed the Moulin Rouge. She liked Cosi fan tutte also, just not as much. Her experiences in Paris were in no way limited to the Moulin Rouge but she begged me to take her, and I didn’t see the harm. I didn’t feel the content, other than the nudity, was particularly adult, but I have very little experience with children. As for the post, I was hoping for some agreement, oh well, but, to be fair, I hadn't considered the effect she might have on the enjoyment of others.

I will, however, make more careful use of the word worldly in the future, and ThinGorjus, I regret that I am a bit daft, but apparently haven’t been “worldly” since my early twenties.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 06:21 PM
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Oct 24th, 2005, 06:32 PM
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Her experiences in Paris were in no way limited to the Moulin Rouge but she begged me to take her, and I didn’t see the harm. I didn’t feel the content, other than the nudity, was particularly adult, but I have very little experience with children.
First lesson you should learn, just because they want you to do it or take them somewhere, does not mean you have to do it. That is why they are the kids and you are the adult.
Your lack of experience shows, what do her parents think ?
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Oct 24th, 2005, 07:16 PM
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"knows more of the world than most eight year olds, and has not been particularly sheltered...."

First, a bit of perspective. It follows from the distribution of the global population that a majority of 8 year olds live in the third world. Sadly, I suspect that they know rather more of the world and are considerably less sheltered than a compassionate observer might wish. Fortunately, your niece is not among them.

Thus, my guess is that your niece enjoyed the show not because she is worldly but because she is not. In other words, the adult themes went over her head, and she simply took the spectacle as just that, spectacle. That said, the show offers opportunities for useful discussions with your niece, such as how showing off is perceived in 'real life', versus in the theatre.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 07:47 PM
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You messed up, plain and simple.
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Oct 24th, 2005, 10:15 PM
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For clarity:

What do you see at a Moulin Rouge show nowadays?

Were there other children there? Is there no age limit?
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