NewbE

Ditto, Caliban, Pal et al!

And btw (and at the risk of being chided for digression again), as a flaming liberal I do not support laws against "hate speech". I am as politically correct as they come, but again, I do not defend the right not to be offended, and I do no believe that even "depraved" speech should be censored.

FrankS

as a flaming liberal I do not support laws against "hate speech".

NewbE

How do you know I;m a hypocrite, lol?
<You have certain speech which you want protected, and there is other speech dont want. >
Not so.
<You want sick perverted speech protected, as long as it is politically correct>

Not so.

I'm very consistent, actually, which you'd know if you knew me, but you don't, so... where do you get off flinging insults? Ah, never mind, it's why no one pays attention to your spittle flecked invective. Say what you want--fine with me--but I don't have to listen, lol.

IMDonehere

I know the Internet is not the place for nuance, nor is it a characteristic of conservatives, but the present KKK advocates for the curtailment of rights for people who are not them. In the past they were murderers and thugs.

Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't, these were cartoonists, exposing the hypocrisy of everyone and were not advocating for the curtailment of the rights of others or physical harm.

I see the difference, you probably don't.

NewbE

<If a KKK granddragon was killed by terrorists for his speech, would people call themselves Je Suis KKK?? Of course not>

In your haste, you have confused two issues.

Would I shed a tear over the assassination of a Grand Dragon (lol--they do make themselves ridiculous, don't they?)--no. I might even cheer, because I am not a saint. But I would not encourage a would-be assassin, nor a would-be censor, because I believe in freedom of speech, full stop. One is my emotional reaction, based on my agreement or disagreement with the Dragon's views; the other is the principle I support.

Put in a way a child can understand, I don't have to like everyone, but I do have to let everyone have their say.

dotheboyshall

I realized yesterday that the muslim community is a target too.

Two of the murdered were Muslim

NewbE

And three mosques in France have been attacked since the Charlie Hebdo killings.

How to promote unity??

annhig

Welcome to the culture gap RM (rolling eyes}>>

no culture gap here, FrankS - WE are all in support of the french courts that refused to censor a satirical magazine.

YOU, on the other hand, are blaming the victims of terrorism for exercising their right to free speech as upheld by those very courts, and are effectively excusing the actions of the terrorists.

But then whatever coats they wear, extremists are all the same under the skin, aren't they? - they all want the right to express themselves but want the rest of us to keep quiet.

NewbE

<extremists are all the same under the skin, aren't they? >
They certainly are. The intolerance of offense, the self-righteousness, the victim complex, the hair-trigger temper...jihadis have no corner on these characteristics.

kerouac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iXPRKsWctQ

FrankS

YOU, on the other hand, are blaming the victims of terrorism for exercising their right to free speech as upheld by those very courts, and are effectively excusing the actions of the terrorists.

bilboburgler

"I dont(sic) have sympathy for people who provoke their own deaths with vulgarity & stupidity.

You are kidding right? Almost lost for words.

IMDonehere

I dont have sympathy for people who provoke their own deaths with vulgarity & stupidity.


Now the people at Fox News are really in trouble.

NewbE

So you're picking and choosing whose speech to protect based on your tastes and sensibilities. OK. That aligns you with the likes of Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin, and not Ronald Reagan, whom I am sure you regard with moist-eyed reverence. Glad we're clear on that, at least.