Italy Itinerary - Round Two

Old Jan 1st, 2016, 10:52 AM
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Neither Naples nor Capri is on the Amalfi, though.
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Old Jan 1st, 2016, 11:28 AM
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Often museums that are closed on Mondays have special openings for Easter Monday; it's too early to know about these special openings. >>

bvl, when we were there, the Castel San Angelo [which normally closes on a Monday, or did then] closed on the Tuesday as well in order to make up to the staff for the fact that their normal day off [Easter Monday] had been a national holiday and therefore they'd have had that one off anyway.

No, it didn't make any sense to me either.

bvl - I agree with you that in the week after Easter, the major sights will be very busy. However we had a great week seeing "second tier" sights [which would most probably be first tier sights anywhere else] - the Doria Pamphilij, Sant 'Cecilia and Santa Maria in Trastevere, San Clemente and some other churches with wonderful mosaics, the Villa D'Este at Tivoli, and probably some more I've forgotten. We did manage to fit in the Colosseum and the Capitoline [on the Monday I think] and the Vatican museums later in the week when the crowds had subsided a bit.

Even if one were to tour only "third tier" sights, you would still be seeing some wonderful things that anywhere else would have people queuing round the block!
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There are guidebooks that offer tips about avoid the worst of the crowds. People predicted horrendous crowds in Rome for papal events last year, and it turned out fear of terrorism kept the numbers down.

My recommenation is that if you want to see sights you suspect are the most popular in Rome, then mix iup your days if at all possible to space out the time in between mega-crowd sights.. Also, to the greatest extent possible, arrange the sightseeing to suit whether you are "morning people" or "evening people." I can't bear to get up early to wait in line and deal with other people in the bargain. I don't care how mnay people tell me I'll "beat the crowds" if I set the alarm for dawn. Yet it doesn't bother me in the slightest t be looking at paintings at 6.30 pm, after most tourits have burned out on sightseeing for the day.

Needless to say, there are some people (including my much-loved relatives) who naturally wake up with the sun, hate dawdling around the house, are out the door and ready to tackle world and start achieving their agendas. If that is you and your family, you know what to do -- and have fun relaxing later in the day with the Romans.

If you are happy seeing alternative sights to avoid crowds, great. But obviously for some people -- and understandably so -- the point of going to Rome is to see X, Y and Z in Rome, and it's just a waste of money to go and see other people's suggestions of F, M and C, even if you are aware these are also wonderful sights.
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Thansk bvlienci for responding to my question about ferries in this thread.
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Old Jan 1st, 2016, 06:44 PM
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I wish I had enough time to see it all, and I appreciate the recommendations, but I can't go all the way to Rome and not see the Vatican and Colloseum!

Maybe an evening tour makes sense, or perhaps really early in the morning?

Will scheduling a private tour help with avoiding all the crowds?
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<It's not "completely wrong." (Really blueyedcod, get another hobby than trying to constantly refute me.) >

lol - I have much better ways to spend my time. How about you get another hobby rather than trolling my every reply - which is what you do - it is absolutely creepy.
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Judy: here is one more thing for you to "see" in Rome--eat the humblest and most sublime Roman pasta dish, cacio e pepe. You can search the F. Forum and other sites for people's favorite restaurants for this (the best places will not be in the Michelin guide!) Again, it's all about personal preferences, whether seeing the Colosseum or having a cheeseburger, but if you do like pasta, try this.
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We intend to eat pasta every day!! Is there a thread on Rome restaurants?

I'd really appreciate constructive feedback from anyone who cares to comment, but please.....PLEASE (!!) stop using this thread to take swipes at each other.

This is supposed to be a friendly site for fellow travelers to share ideas, foster friendships and gather information based on personal travel experiences.
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Old Jan 2nd, 2016, 05:05 AM
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Judy - if you go to the websites i posted above, you will find that you can book early and late tours of the Vatican museums and private tours of the Colosseum.
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Walks of Italy has great group tours. We used them when we were in Rome. We got into the Vatican before it was open to the public. It was the pristine Sistine and was awesome. 7 people in our group. no waiting to enter. We also did the VIP Colosseum tour which included the bottom and third floor of the Colosseum and the Roman Forum and Palatine Hill. Also no waiting. If time is an issue I would check these out.
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Judy: there are of course many many many excellent places to eat in Rome, big and little, five star and no star. Search the forum for food discussions on people's trip reports.

Here are two places we enjoyed, small, unpretentious (taken from my trip report), both in the Trastevere neighborhood:

Da Teo: "Dinner in the evening at Da Teo: an excellent little spot in Trastevere in a little piazza one block from the river. Carciofi alla giudia, fried zucchini flowers stuffed with pecorino and anchovies, pasta with funghi and a very good bottle of Hernicus Cesanese del Piglio (a red from Roman Lazio region). We asked our waiter to choose a red for us and he did well."

Da Enzo: "dinner at Da Enzo on Via Vascellari, just a block from Da Teo where we had eaten the night before. We had reserved a week before. It’s a very small and popular place. Outstanding caccio e pepe, very good pasta alla gricia (guanciale), good but not great coda alla vaccinara, unacceptable abbacchio (lamb)—bony and gristly. All was redeemed by the waiter’s choice of wine: a Lazio red Baccarossa 2011. We do not know wine lore, we just asked waiters to choose a local wine to go with the meal, red or white, and “no bancarotta per favore” and they usually came up with very good bottles priced around 18 – 22 euros."

Here's a link to the TR:
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...rip-report.cfm
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EYWandBTV...Sounds perfect and delicious! Thank you!

Lancer11 - will definitely look into Walks of Italy, thank you for the info!

annhig -- will look into the links you sent, thanks again for the feedback!
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Old Jan 2nd, 2016, 08:05 PM
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JUST BOOKED OUR FLIGHTS!

We leave March 26 fly into Venice.
DS and GF go home (from Venice) April 1.
DH and I go home (from Rome) April 6.

I decided to give myself a few extra days to perhaps go to the AC after DS and GF leave.

Now I just need to figure out itineraries...this is the fun part!
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Old Jan 3rd, 2016, 05:12 AM
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Hi Judy

given that you have only 5 nights between your folks leaving Venice and you flying out of Rome, i suggest just sticking to Rome on this trip, perhaps with a day or half day trip to somewhere like Tivoli or Ostia Antica.

With only 5 more nights, trying to get to the AC and then back to Rome [unless you want no time there at all] would take a disproportionate amount of time. You won't run out of things to see and do in Rome.
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Old Jan 3rd, 2016, 05:48 AM
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Good point. Maybe Pompeii? Florence? Other day trips?

How long would it take to get to AC from Rome?

Even if it takes a full day to get there couldn't we spend 3 nights in that area and then come back to Rome for the flight home?

Or is that too much traveling from A to B back to A again?
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Old Jan 3rd, 2016, 06:28 AM
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Update to my previous post:

DH wants to go to the AC. Definitely.

What are my options?

Scenario:

DS and GF leave Friday morning so DH and I have from Friday to Tuesday to get to the AC with a return home from Rome on Wednesday morning.

Suggestions for a time - efficient itinerary?

Rome - Pompeii - Sorrento a viable option?
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Even if it takes a full day to get there couldn't we spend 3 nights in that area and then come back to Rome for the flight home?

Or is that too much traveling from A to B back to A again?>>

for me it would be but it's your trip not mine. you could fly from Venice to Naples, train/taxi to Sorrento and use that as a base to tour the area [not exactly the AC but close]

or get ferry/hydrofoil to Amalfitano or Positano from Naples.

spend 4 nights there then on 5th day get train to Rome, one night there, fly home.

if you prefer the train, the journey from venice to Naples is about 5 hours [with another hour to Sorrento] and from Venice to Salerno [another possible AC base] is 6 ½ hours but at least you're [more or less] there.

I suggest doing some reading to help you decide whether it's worth the effort.
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Judy: You're going to have to think this through carefully, especially since you're traveling in March. Here's an idea of train times, taken from the very easy-to-use train booking site loco2.com:

Venice - change trains in Rome - Naples Centrale: about 5, 5.5 hours, depending
...then you would need to transfer to the local Circumvesuviana train that goes around the Bay of Naples and ends up in Sorrento, at the northern end of the Amalfi Coast. Takes a little less than an hour, but you're going to have to find it (it's one level below the main Naples station), buy tickets, etc. so allow time for this. It's dirty and old. Uck. Once you're in Sorrento take a bus south to Positano or Amalfi or wherever you're going.

Or:

Venice - change trains in Rome - Salerno (at the southern end of the Amalfi Coast) - about 6.5 hours, depending. Then take a bus north to Amalfi, about 1 hr 15 min. No ferries running on this route after October, til late spring.

Or:

You could also fly direct from Venice to Naples, and I believe there are buses to Sorrento (but probably fewer in the off-season) and also to Salerno. Then you could proceed on to your final AC destination.

Or...pay some bucks and spring for a limo from Naples train station or Naples airport and go painlessly right to your hotel on the AC. We did this years ago, a splurge, but it felt so good....

If you choose a route involving the SITA buses, and if you are traveling on a Sunday or a holiday, make sure the bus you want is running.

No matter how you choose to go to the AC, you're going to burn up vacation time getting there and back. But the AC is in fact spectacular and if you really want to see it, go for it!
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Old Jan 3rd, 2016, 11:30 AM
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Maybe I didn't explain this right....

I will be in Rome, not Venice, for the last 5 days of the trip.

Here's my timeline:

Arrive in Venice Sunday 3/27.
Spend Sunday in Venice, stay overnight.
Leave Venice Monday afternoon and travel to Rome (train or plane).
Stay in Rome Monday through Friday (April 1).
Travel Saturday morning to the AC (train?).
Stay in the AC Sat-Sun-Mon-Tue.
Head back to Rome Tuesday afternoon/evening for flight home Wednesday.

This doesn't work?


My DS and GF need to get back to Venice April 1 for their flight home, but DH and I are flying home from Rome.
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Old Jan 3rd, 2016, 12:28 PM
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Whew, that makes life easier
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