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bvlenci May 25th, 2020 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by scrb11 (Post 17108035)
May not be able to read unless you have a subscription to the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ge%2Fstory-ans

I can't read it on the website but am able to read it on the News app on my iPad.

They talk about a Rome restaurant's experience the first night they reopened. They had to reduce capacity by more than half, to just 12 seats. They only got a few delivery orders.

Some good reviews on Google and TA, Zia Rilla, near the Vatican.

The number of restaurants in Rome is many times greater than what would serve the residents. For most of them, reopening before the tourists return doesn't make sense.

bvlenci May 25th, 2020 09:39 AM

I finally got my hair cut. Two hours later I got a call from the hospital telling me not to leave my house for a week. I have to have a minor operation, and they want to make sure I'm corona-free. (I also have to have the test, after the week of isolation.)

scrb11 May 25th, 2020 09:52 AM

Good luck with your test.

In the US there was a case of a couple of hair salon workers, one of them symptomatic, who worked for a week and now there may be some 140 clients who are at risk between the two.

annhig May 26th, 2020 03:59 AM

that was great timing bvl. Good luck with the test and the op.

I learn from my friends in Venice and Sasso Marconi [near Bologna as you may or may not remember] that there have been relatively few problems with the virus in either place and certainly in Venice they are beginning to relax the restrictions. how are things around your way?

Traveler_Nick May 26th, 2020 04:25 AM

The restuarants in real trouble are those in the historic centre. Along with all the shops that mainly sold to tourists. This far west the big issue is the beach. Until that starts really going all the seaside places won't likely open.

scrb11 May 26th, 2020 05:29 AM

A Eurowings flight from Dusseldorf headed to Olbia, only to be notified the airport was closed.

They were offered the option to divert to Cagliari but decided to return to Dusseldorf.

This happed a couple of days ago.


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/e...bia/index.html

bvlenci May 26th, 2020 12:47 PM


that was great timing bvl. Good luck with the test and the op.

I learn from my friends in Venice and Sasso Marconi [near Bologna as you may or may not remember] that there have been relatively few problems with the virus in either place and certainly in Venice they are beginning to relax the restrictions. how are things around your way?
In the province of Ancona, where I live, there have been only 11 new cases in the past week. They've greatly increased testing. (My test, by the way, was negative, as I was almost sure it would be.)

The biggest outbreak in Le Marche was in Pesaro, but that has also died down. There has been also a minor outbreak in the south of Le Marche in the past week. However, in all of Le Marche, there has been an average of about 5 new cases each day.

Life is slowly returning to normal. Indoor spaces are still very limited in numbers of people. Shops allow only one or two people in at once, depending on the size of the shop, and all have hand sanitizer at the entrance and require masks. There are strict rules for church services, and theatres haven't reopened, nor have schools.

scrb11 May 26th, 2020 01:08 PM

Churches are one of the worst vectors for transmission. There have been cases of spread at choir practice, where the lung expels more droplets than normal breaths.

There have also been cases in other internal settings where people 50 feet away from the spreader get infected because of internal air circulation systems.

Restaurants, even with spacing, may not be safe if you're sitting for an hour or more and you share that space with an infected person, unless the air is being circulated outside with fresh air constantly coming in.

Some churches, especially in Europe, have cavernous interior spaces. But doors and windows are closed so any droplet "cloud" would persist at head levels of average adults and then slowly float down to the floor.

I guess if there's any tourism at all this summer, it may be best to avoid churches, even cathedrals, if there are a lot of people inside at a given time.

Dayle May 26th, 2020 03:44 PM

Buona fortuna bvlenci on your minor op! Glad to hear you have been staying well and Le Marche has not been affected as badly as other places. With all that has been going on, it still has been hard not to think of where I should have been during the last six weeks instead of staying home. I would have been flying home to Utah today....sigh! Take care and I hope to make it to Le Marche in a couple of years.

scrb11 May 29th, 2020 02:31 PM

According to the BBC:


What about tourism elsewhere in Europe?

  • Greece says it will start reopening its airports to tourists from 29 countries from 15 June. They include 16 EU countries, but not countries hit hardest by Covid-19: the UK, France, Spain and Italy
  • Spain says that from 1 July tourists will be allowed in without having to spend 14 days in quarantine
  • Italy plans to allow in tourists from EU countries from 3 June, when mandatory quarantine for visitors will be lifted
  • France plans to reopen borders from 15 June, initially to tourists from Switzerland and Germany
  • Switzerland plans to reopen its borders with France, Germany and Austria on 15 June, but not with Italy
  • Cyprus plans to reopen its airports on 9 June to a number of countries seen as low risk, including Germany, Greece, Israel and Malta, but the UK and Russia are not among them
  • On 28 May Croatia reopened its borders without restrictions to citizens from 10 EU countries seen as low risk, including Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic and Poland.


zebec May 29th, 2020 03:02 PM

Thx SCRB, for this last post of updates.
I am done. The end.

nochblad May 31st, 2020 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by scrb11 (Post 17108807)
Love Lake Como but I've visited it in May and had some of the worst hay fever in my life. All the plants that places like Villa Serbelloni imported makes it difficult for people suffering from hay fever.

I took day trips to Bergamo and Lugano and the symptoms would clear up. But when I returned to Varenna, they came back.

Not that people outside of Italy could visit right now.

But just as well, since you're not suppose to touch your face, which would be difficult when your nose is running and your eyes are burning.

My daughter suffers from hay fever and has traditionally taken Kestine (Ebastina) but since this year is particularly bad because grasses etc have not been cut back she has been prescribed Rupafin which seems to help.

scrb11 Jun 5th, 2020 11:08 AM

I've read that there have been big traffic jams near some borders since Italy opened up two days ago. That's interesting considering that Austria and Switzerland said they will keep their borders with Italy closed for now.

However, looks like the EU as a whole is heading towards opening all internal EU/Schengen borders by the end of the month and then external borders, that is allowing "external travelers" to enter the EU/Schengen this summer.


The governments did not determine on Friday which nationals from non-Schengen and non-EU countries would be allowed in first. But they were clear that external travellers would be able to travel once again throughout the Schengen area and not face internal border controls.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN23C1NE

Even France, where Macron had said no tourists from outside Europe before September, is supposedly proposing opening up to "le monde entier" starting in July.


annhig Jun 5th, 2020 02:27 PM

I'm not expecting anyone to be welcoming Brits any time soon.

I wouldn't.

scrb11 Jun 5th, 2020 04:23 PM

Speculation that the UK will impose the quarantine on 8 June and then remove it for all but a couple of countries like Russia and Brazil on 29 June.

They can't not do it at this point but they did say 3-week review so they will remove the blanket quarantine at the first opportunity.

LucieV Jun 6th, 2020 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by annhig (Post 17113492)
I'm not expecting anyone to be welcoming Brits any time soon.

I wouldn't.

That's what I thought about Californians relative to other states, annhig. Yet here they are, traipsing to Oregon, Montana, Mexico, wherever the eff they feel like going. No quarantining required.

StCirq Jun 6th, 2020 11:14 AM

<<
Even France, where Macron had said no tourists from outside Europe before September, is supposedly proposing opening up to "le monde entier" starting in July.>>

Well, the French love to throw out big concepts like "le monde entier," but AFAIK (and I surely could be wrong), the Assemblée Nationale has to approve all this, and that will take time. Plus, individual mayors will surely weigh in with this and that restrictions in their own communities.

Traveler_Nick Jun 6th, 2020 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by annhig (Post 17113492)
I'm not expecting anyone to be welcoming Brits any time soon.

I wouldn't.

Italy has opened it's border for the UK.

neckervd Jun 7th, 2020 01:47 AM

So did Portugal and Greece.
But it seems that the EU will open their borders for Brits next weekend anyway.

BTW: there were 1560 new positive Covid19 tests in the UK yesterday.

annhig Jun 7th, 2020 04:21 AM

<<So did Portugal and Greece.
But it seems that the EU will open their borders for Brits next weekend anyway.

BTW: there were 1560 new positive Covid19 tests in the UK yesterday.>>

That number says it all. Not sure I feel comfortable about going anywhere even in the UK at the moment and I would be highly dubious about the risk of spreading Covid back to Italy or the rest of the EU.


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