Italy for the Gourmet Traveler

Jun 15th, 2001, 12:21 PM
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Can you tell me where you saw that Anzolo Raffaele was no longer any good? I ate there a little over a year ago, and it was wonderful. I visit Venice several times a year, and I am on a personal quest to find the least touristy places. In Venice, this is akin to seeking the Holy Grail, so I would be sorely disappointed to hear that this particular restaurant no longer held "most favored nation" status.
Jun 15th, 2001, 01:36 PM
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Please someone tell me more about
Anzolo Raffaele.
this is a new one to me .
Location, examples of the cuisine, ambiance, etc would be good to know
Jun 17th, 2001, 08:59 AM
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Santa Chiara, I found Plotkin's new assessment when I was doing a search for info on another place he had recommended. It's on Once there, go to european and then to italian and click on the Italy for the Gourmet Traveler. Or, put "granaro del monte norcia plotkin" in google and it will pull up the site. It's an update from Plotkin dated June 1999.

Elaine, I'll have to look at a Venice guide to tell you exactly where, but it's in or near Dorsoduro on a small piazza. It's neighborhood casual ambience (nothing fancy at all), little or no English spoken and seafood. We had platters of seafood and I didn't recognize half the stuff we ate. One of our traveling companions said it was like Christmas Eve dinner at his Italian grandmother's house. It was one of the most memorable meals we had in Italy, both for the food and for the adventure in finding it, and we were very disappointed to hear Plotkin's updated opinion. But from Santa Chiara's reaction to her dinner last year, maybe it has rebounded.

We'll be near Spoleto and in Rome. Any experiences with Plotkin-recommended restaurants in those areas?
Jul 6th, 2001, 08:56 PM
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Hi, Barbara,
I have Fred's book and it's very good-- he's updated re Venice, by the way, in a Gourmet mag article dated around Jan 2000. But I want to tell you about a restaurant you should not miss in Rome, near Piazza di Populo. It's called "Porto di Ripetta". It's mainly seafood, and although we went to the seafood restaurant purported to be the best in Rome, namely, "La Rosetta", this one is better -- and maybe the best restaurant I've ever eaten in. I will just describe the dessert: the plate is arranged with half a hazelnut, walnut, fig, strawberry, apricot, and grape,etc., with each of these stuffed with gelato or sorbet made of that fruit or nut. Unbelievable. They use no butter. They use no garlic (the owner said "good garlic masks bad fish"). Have the sea bass carpaccio (wafer thin, exquisitely fresh slices of sea bass accompanied by an exotic type of peppercorn ); have the stuffed artichoke -- you'd swear he'd used buttter, but it's olive oil which he bottles himself; have the pasta stuffed with skate --- the pasta is made in one of two of the only family factories which still make it -- near Naples, or something like that. I had planned for us to eat in different neighborhoods, but I never got to those restaurants because after we ate at this one, we just kept going back. I also recommend Vignale in Radda-in-Chianti. And La Colombina in the Cannareggio in Venice. If you are in Florence, I recommend Vittoria in the San Frediano district -- not as daring or creative as the others but honest, abundant, fresh seafood at honest prices. Enjoy!
Jan 9th, 2004, 02:42 PM
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I wanted to resurrect this thread as I was hoping to experience the Trattoria Anzolo Raffael that Plotkin wrote about in '99. Has anyone been there lately?
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Jan 9th, 2004, 03:01 PM
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Has anyone used this book or other good Italy food books lately? I saw Italy for the Gourmet Traveler in the bookstore, but it was published several years ago (I'm thinking 1996 or 1998) and I put it back because I thought it would be outdated. I like Great Eats in Italy, but it only covers Rome, Florence and Venice.

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Jan 9th, 2004, 04:07 PM
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Jocelyn,you and I are on the same trail! I didnt realize how old these posts were..Has anyone been to the Giusti lately,that sounds wonderful...
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Jan 9th, 2004, 04:33 PM
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I know there is a book call something like "Osteria d'Italia", available through As far as I know it is in Italian, however. I am planning a trip for June and I'm hoping there will be an English version before then. If you haven't checked out it's worth your time...
Happy 'manjando',
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Jan 10th, 2004, 10:53 AM
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Does anyone have recommendations for Milan or the region close to Belaggio ? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Jan 12th, 2004, 01:37 PM
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I am new to this posting,and a foodie as well.we willbe in Rome in late April,and appeciate hearing about favorites.Will definitely seek out Porto di Ripetto. Will also order Fred Plotkins book.We will be in Sicily for 2 weeks before taht.Any favorites there????Foodies usually have great hotel suggestions.I welcome your mid-range suggestions,and thank you.
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Jan 12th, 2004, 03:10 PM
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Before you buy Plotkins book, check this thread
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Jan 13th, 2004, 01:33 PM
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My wife and I went to Italy in 2000 with Osteria d'Italia in hand, and it was the best decision we ever made. We don't read Italian, but the specialties of the house are highlighted in red, and the name of the osteria/trattoria is bold, along with an address. We've had luck with other books, although I've never used Italy for the Gourmet Traveler, but never the consistency of this book. We had several extremely memorable meals in way out of the way places that we would have never found or chosen to go into had we not had this guide. One of the mantra's of the slow food movement is the preservation of regional cooking, and each establishment listed has been chosen for their adherence to this policy- so you eat what the locals have eaten for generations. We're planning a trip this May, and just purchased the 2004 edition on the slowfood website.
And yes, we've been known to drive hours out of our way to eat a memorable meal, without a though otherwise....
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Jan 19th, 2004, 05:22 AM
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Any suggestions for a smaller food dictionary book?
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