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crckwc1 Jul 30th, 2008 07:04 PM

Is United Airlines in financial trouble?
 
I found a fare on United, DFW-MUC for next May at a rather astounding $805 (coach, of course). I was wondering if United is threatening bankruptcy and if I could count on them being around next May. I'd hate to have a ticket on a non-flying plane. I realize that nobody has a crystal ball, but does anyone have thoughts about this?

travelgourmet Jul 31st, 2008 03:03 AM

I think there is minimal risk that United will actually shut down between now and May. You might have some schedule changes, but I wouldn't worry about them going out of business.

I would go ahead and book the ticket, provided you are certain of the dates, as that is a pretty good price.

dfr4848 Jul 31st, 2008 05:11 AM

With the exception of Southwest and a few international carriers, all the airlines are in financial trouble. United, of course, just got out of bankruptcy. While absolutely no one can predict 10 mos out, it's unlikely that United will go completely out of business. Merger/alliance maybe, but not totally shut down. Possibly another chapter 11, but they'd likely keep flying. That is a very good fare. I assume that you'd change at ORD or IAD, or part of your trip is on someone else's metal since UA doesn't fly nonstop from DFW - MUC.

FrankS Jul 31st, 2008 05:30 AM

Go ahead and buy

Major carriers will cover each other in case of a bk, its the discounters that might leave you empty in case of a bk. Further, United has their overseas partners to cover those too.

crckwc1 Jul 31st, 2008 07:15 AM

Thanks to each of you. This gives me more confidence.
dfr4848 - yes, I'm looking at both ORD and IAD connections. Now, to make sure of my dates.

Christina Jul 31st, 2008 10:07 AM

I don't think it's possible for a major airline to cease running within a year, if they haven't declared bankruptcy yet. Some small ones do that, I guess, just shut down (like ATA and Skybus) but major ones don't. Besides, UAL was already in bankruptcy, remember? They are still here.

I wouldn't assume any airline is going to give you a free ride if United did shut down, unless you had a ticket written on them that was a UAL codeshare. But just any airline around to be nice? I think you'd have to try to get a refund through your CC or get in line with creditors.

longboatkey Jul 31st, 2008 10:36 AM

There are no guarantees. The industry is in shambles!!!!

JEFF_ Aug 1st, 2008 04:11 PM

I'd go for it. I flew on United using a free award ticket while they were in their last bankruptcy. I'd be more concerned with making sure you allow generous connecting times just in case they change schedule times dramatically.

tuscanlifeedit Aug 1st, 2008 06:52 PM

I suggest avoiding IAD if you can. When we came from Europe in May, on United through IAD, it was a nightmare. Not that flying isn't usually awful these days, but the connections on United at IAD were about the biggest mess I have ever seen. Women crying everywhere and I was one of them.

No promise that ORD would be better, but 'twer me, I would try it just to avoid the United mess at IAD.

crckwc1 Aug 1st, 2008 09:08 PM

Thanks, everyone. The $805 fare has just dropped to $755 and I don't think I can wait any longer. Haven't seen a fare like this in quite a while.

crckwc1 Aug 2nd, 2008 11:04 AM

tuscanlifeedit -- Can you tell me exactly what kind of problems you had at IAD? We are looking at going through IAD outbound, but will go through ORD on the return.
Anyone else want to comment on IAD vs ORD?

Saraho Aug 2nd, 2008 12:02 PM

We fly in and out of IAD all the time and find it to be much better than DCA or Houston or DFW. It does not nearly have as much of a bus station atmosphere.

ms_go Aug 2nd, 2008 12:14 PM

How long are your connections at IAD and ORD?

I won't comment on IAD as I haven't connected there in awhile, but domestic to international shouldn't be too bad. A lot of the problems I've read about have been international arrivals.

On your return at ORD, you will need to go through immigration, claim your bags, go through customs and re-check your bags at the international terminal (T5). Then, you'll need to take the people mover/train to T1 and re-clear security. Depending on how many flights arrive at the same time, the international terminal can be a bit of a mess. When I went through in March and June of this year, the immigration lines for US citizens were pretty long, stretching all the way to the back and down the hall. Nevertheless, I think both times we were out of the arrivals area in less than 45 minutes from the time the plane reached the gate.

sarge56 Aug 2nd, 2008 12:15 PM

I'll take Chicago any day over Dulles. Just my personal preference. :)

FrankS Aug 2nd, 2008 12:20 PM

I rank ORD just a little bit behind JFK & Boston, but Im bias. ORD is my home Intl airport, and most Hubs are easier to navigate with less potential for delays.

crckwc1 Aug 2nd, 2008 12:43 PM

ms_go I will have 1-1/2 hours at both IAD and ORD. Do you think that's enough at ORD for luggage, immigration, re-checking luggage, etc.?

Thanks to each of you for your input -- wish me luck!


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