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Apr 23rd, 2019, 07:33 PM
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This is a fact, regardless if it makes sense to you or not.
I will repeat at. this point that i am working many many years in the tourism branch in Greece and know the market inside out.
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Apr 24th, 2019, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael View Post
Your explanation has nothing to do with nationality and everything with timing and seasonal rates.
The explanation has everything to do with nationality. Different nationals get different rates in some countries, eg Greece and also Cyprus, Russia, South Africa and probably lots of others.

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Apr 24th, 2019, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by clausar View Post
This is a fact, regardless if it makes sense to you or not.
I will repeat at. this point that i am working many many years in the tourism branch in Greece and know the market inside out.
Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The explanation has everything to do with nationality. Different nationals get different rates in some countries, eg Greece and also Cyprus, Russia, South Africa and probably lots of others.
Who knows? I did not question anyone's credentials or knowledge of anything, nor did I dispute any facts. My point was simply that clausar's explanation makes no sense. After multiple tries to explain a point, it still makes no sense. I don't even know what facts clausar is trying to articulate because it's so unclear. I can't dispute or agree with any facts. If the pricing is simply based on the customer's passport then just say that. No need to start talking about people paying more because they travel in the high season and further confuse it by talking about the timing of their booking. And how Germans pay the least because (apparently) they travel in the slower months. So pricing is based on nationality(???) I read it 8 times and I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I don't want to speak for Michael but it was pretty clear that he was also talking about your explanation rather than trying to dispute facts.

I really don't mean to insult anyone or to be rude. I am always sensitive to the fact that people may not be native English speakers but this has little to do with language and vocabulary and everything to do with clarity and logic.
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Apr 24th, 2019, 04:39 PM
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I'll give it another try.
As an example :
Greeks get the highest rate
Germans get the lowest rate
The hoteliers justify this based on occupancy and the volume of business they receive.
1. Greeks traditionally take their holidays in August ( super peak of the season) and book their accommodation in the last moment.
2. Germans book way in advance ( often with paying an advance to make use of special offers ) and they occupy hotels from the beginning till the end of the season.
Hotels need a high occupancy throughout the season and in a way reward that with lower rates.
Again this is how hoteliers explain their different rates which does perfect sense to me.
The different rates are applying to Tour Operators and online booking engines. That means that if a Tour Operator makes a contract with a Greek hotel, it will receive different rates for each market they are dealing with.
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Apr 24th, 2019, 10:58 PM
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If a Greek books in low season does he get high price or German price ?
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Apr 24th, 2019, 11:25 PM
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It is quite rare that Greeks would book in the low season accommodation in touristic areas that mainly attract tourists from Central and Northern Europe.
But yes, they would not get the same price. The difference between Greek and German prices can be enormous which is something that is of course upsetting
Greeks. The different market rates is a habit mainly of hotels in touristy areas such as Crete, Rhodes, Corfu..... very popular with the so called package tourism.

Smaller hotels do not follow this sales tactic and are more flexible if contacted directly.
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Apr 25th, 2019, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by clausar View Post
It is quite rare that Greeks would book in the low season accommodation in touristic areas that mainly attract tourists from Central and Northern Europe.
But yes, they would not get the same price. The difference between Greek and German prices can be enormous which is something that is of course upsetting
Greeks. The different market rates is a habit mainly of hotels in touristy areas such as Crete, Rhodes, Corfu..... very popular with the so called package tourism.

Smaller hotels do not follow this sales tactic and are more flexible if contacted directly.
Same price as what? You're still not clear if it's based on nationality or timing of the holiday! And now you're talking about different MARKET rates (which is very different to prices by NATIONALITY/PASSPORT) and it's not even clear if you're using market price as a proxy for the traditional times that each market takes its holidays. So you've introduced:
  • Rates by timing of holiday
  • Rates by when the holiday is booked
  • Rates by nationality
  • Rates by country/market.
I fully understand that there can (and often is) a combination of factors in play here but you're unclear on the fundamental point of whether pricing is directly based on nationality (i.e. what passport each individual customer holds) or based on peak demand times vs off-peak. The effect of peak season pricing might be that Greeks pay more but that's different than pricing based on passport. Maybe it is on passport but you're unclear. Sounds like you're trying to make a point related to complaints by Greeks that they "unfairly" have to pay more for holidays in their own country, rather than to clearly state facts.

Pricing by timing of the holiday does not mean that it's pricing by nationality just because people in Greece tend to holiday in the high season. Here in the UK, prices for holidays go up dramatically during school holiday periods. The effect might be that parents with school age children pay more for holidays than others, but it's incorrect and misleading to say that pricing is done based on whether you are parents of school age children or not! Or to say that pricing is done based on whether you have a child in state school (super peak holiday pricing) or private education (often has holiday periods that are not aligned with the greater masses in state schools so holidays can be significantly cheaper).
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Apr 25th, 2019, 01:49 AM
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ΙIt seems that you don't want to understand what i am saying, which in my opinion is very clear.
I give up
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Apr 25th, 2019, 08:10 AM
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Add package rates to the muddle: "very popular with the so called package tourism. "
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Apr 25th, 2019, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by clausar View Post
ΙIt seems that you don't want to understand what i am saying, which in my opinion is very clear.
I give up
I don't think you have answered Walkinaround's question and I have no dog in this fight, so to speak. Yes, if you order a hotel early, or you are a tour operator, then you get a better price.
That requires either

a) An individual traveler who is organized and willing to travel in the low-season or shoulder season, and to make their reservation several months in advance.
b)A large group, with a significant dollar amount to spend. A tour bus may seat 30 people, so let's go with that.

Neither case requires a VPN. It requires organizational skills, someone willing to make compromises by staying at a less popular time, or someone with a large group.

But I want to go back to your original post. Is Surfshark's contention valid and does it actually work? My answer is maybe it's valid, but no it doesn't work. First, as mentioned above, your credit card information will give away your host country. So you can't actually PAY for this deal you found. The way around this is to use a non-location based payment like Paypal. But what if the thing you're buying turns out to be fraudulent claims etc? Visa is far more apt to help you go after your lost money than Paypal is. So the risk is not worth the benefit IMO.

There are a few things you can do to save money by setting your location settings or "going local." One is to go onto Groupon and make the city you are visiting your "home" town and see what offers are on the table and buy them. Occasionally their hotels are good prices, but you have to pick the dates at time of purchase, so I've never done that. On the other hand, groupon would be a great way to save on admissions to local sites.

Visit the city's own travel bureau site. You may find a local guide, who may be less expensive than the ones you find on TripAdvisor etc. Coupons for a local festival or site.
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Apr 25th, 2019, 12:14 PM
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I am like walking. Don't understand.
Maybe we don't want to. Maybe you are unclear.
But something I don't get is why the Greeks don't go on holiday in the low season ? I am french and a lot if french go on holiday in france in low season. Because they have no children at school and can afford to choose when to go on holiday.
This doesn't happen in Greece ? They all go on high season ?
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Apr 29th, 2019, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lolfn View Post
This is great information, I had no idea and never thought twice about it. Looking at a flight from JFK to Gatwick in Oct and the Norwegian site is $40 cheaper than the US. The UK site is $6 more than the Norwegian. So there are no issues booking it through the Norwegian site if you are in the US?
We had no problems booking on the UK site and we even decided to book travel insurance on the site because it was inexpensive. I think I do recall that we had to pay in pounds sterling and there is a slight charge for using a visa versus one of the UK debit type cards. Also, I think I may have had to call my visa bank for a "verified by visa" routine they have. It was a hassle but not a big deal. Also, I didn't mention that the savings I made was for Premium class tickets
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