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Is Egypt Safe for American Family Travelers?

Feb 26th, 2008, 06:24 PM
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Safaga was ultra cheap and surely could have been a great holiday inside the "fortress". They had all you'd ever want.

I did the other "stuff" years before. Havn't been to Sharm and the Sinai at all.
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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:28 PM
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They don't hand machine guns to kids in Tunisia. I appreciate that.
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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:29 PM
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And French opens all doors there
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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:39 PM
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Well, again, Safaga is NOT a typical tourist destination.

But since it has been years since you've been in other places in Egypt, I don't think it's fair for you to be taking this one experience, in this one somewhat isolated location, and assuming that is representative of the way it is all over Egypt.

It was obviously a bad experience for you, and I am sorry that it has so badly jaded your opinion of the whole country.

'Nuff said.





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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:43 PM
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I grew up speaking French, logos. That wasn't an issue.
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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:50 PM
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'Nuff said.



Guns are nice for those who like them..
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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:54 PM
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Never said I LIKED them. But I never in 4 years had a gun pointed at me by any guard (at a hotel, tourist site, on the street, or by my kids' school) and I just didn't let them bother me.
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Feb 26th, 2008, 06:59 PM
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That's fine . I'm bothered by them big time. They are used to kill people.
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Feb 27th, 2008, 01:48 AM
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I don't recall an instance of American tourists - or any others - being killed by Egyptian soldiers/ security guards.

Am I missing something here?

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Feb 27th, 2008, 04:42 AM
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>>>They don't hand machine guns to kids in Tunisia.<<<

So, how much older are Tunisian army conscripts?

I talked to one of the guys, and he said that "street duty" is part of the program in the army. And Egypt has a big army, so of course there are also lots of guys with guns. But I agree, nowadays army conscript (of all countries) look endearingly like little boys. I wonder why.
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Feb 27th, 2008, 04:56 AM
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elina - could it be because we are getting older??????

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Feb 27th, 2008, 05:11 AM
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I kind of thought so, too.
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Feb 27th, 2008, 05:22 AM
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It's because the kids in Tunisia have better things to do instead of guarding tourists with guns.

It might be funny to you but it really isn't funy at all. It you want you a**s to be saved by french or british troops, just move to Egypt and wait a while. It's boiling and it isn't the climate change.

But anyway it's futile to discuss this with you. Go and have fun and let the boys "protect" you.
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Feb 27th, 2008, 10:01 AM
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Taking yourself to Egypt and taking your children to Egypt are two very different things.The armed guards are there for a reason.You don't see armed guards outside hotels or traveling with tour busses in London,Paris or Rome or anywhere in the U.S. that I am aware of.
As a parent it is my responsibility to keep my children safe.As a parent and a grandparent I would never expose my kids to any danger knowingly,period!If you have to ask if it is safe you should not even consider it.You would never forgive yourself if something did happen.
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Feb 27th, 2008, 10:33 AM
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logos999 I think they are trying to say it's NORMAL to see machine gun toting guards at ultra SAFE tourist sights? I will say it again.. To say Egypt is safer for American tourists then Washington DC or ANY US city is the dumbest most ridiculous mis-informed statement I have ever read on this board. I can't believe they're arguing that a 3rd world north African Muslim country is safer for Americans tourist then America? WOW, Unbelievable.
 
Feb 27th, 2008, 03:52 PM
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Yes you're right, whatever, I can't help it. I at least won't return.
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Feb 27th, 2008, 04:58 PM
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Let me tell you about the food inside my fortress. It was great, the youghurt bowl, the pasta, the meat, falafel, the potatoes and the tomatoes, fresh juicy and delicious! Somehow like MGM at Las Vegas, but much better for a RIDICULOUS!!!! price, flight and all inclusive food. (I know some folks don't like MGM ;-)

I got up at 6am for the first breakfast, followed by the 2nd at 9am. 11:30 am was supper time, free coffee and beer in the afternoon and more meat and potatoes for dinner. Didn't miss pork meat at all.

Why can't the Germans do this... It's so expensive over here.

My train ticket to downtown costs more than a week in Egypt.

But I just wanted to get out of that country in one piece...
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Feb 27th, 2008, 06:26 PM
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letsgo - I would never put my children in danger. My DH and I made a joint decision to move our family there after he and I had made a visit. Granted, we moved there BEFORE 9/11 and things were somewhat different. However, we did not at the time and at no point during our stay did we ever feel "in danger" or "threatened" in any way. Our children loved living in Cairo and would happily return.

Of course, I will admit, most of the time we weren't being "tourists" - we were being "residents"...just living our day to day lives and not regularly visiting the tourist sites (except for my regular trips to the Khan! )

Although we frequently went to dinner at some of the major hotels in Cairo, we did not stay in those hotels (no point), but I do not remember armed guards hanging around the hotels where we did stay (Sharm, Luxor, El Gouna, Ain Soukhna, El Alamain), and certainly didn't have any guards telling us where we could and couldn't go. Maybe they were there - but they weren't obvious. We never had armed guards on our tours because we always took private tours. Yes, there were guards around the school, but they were friendly, helpful, and really watched out for the kids. The guns were never "pointed" at anyone. Usually, they were propped up against the wall next to the guards.

We did - and STILL do - avoid being part of large tourist groups. When we traveled by car there were occasional roadblocks/checkpoints, but they weren't everywhere. On the 4.5 hour drive from Cairo to El Gouna I believe there was one checkpoint. A couple of more on the drive to Sharm because of going through the Suez Canal. Those checkpoints simply involved showing our passports and our car registration. Took about 2 minutes.

We moved from Egypt 3 years ago to central Asia - and will hopefully be moving to Moscow this summer. We would never consider a location that we thought would be dangerous to our family (and have turned down a couple of places because of that). We have taught our children (now teens) to be smart and to be aware of their situation at all times (whether in Cairo, Rome, Cape Town, Beijing or New Orleans).

Pinchme - would you please tell me where I said "that a 3rd world north African Muslim country is safer for Americans tourist then America?"

Again, guards at major tourist places are common in Egypt, but I have NEVER had a gun pointed at me, I have NEVER been treated with anything but "friendliness" by the guards.

All I am saying is that the experience that logos had in one resort (which is not a major tourist or expat destination) does NOT match my experience during my 4 years there.

I am truly sorry for logos experience.
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Feb 29th, 2008, 03:58 AM
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Grcxx3,

My answer was intended for Reggs who asked the question not you.You are very defensive which makes me wonder if you are doubting your decisions.
However since you bring it up we each believe we are doing the best we can for our families.You have a right to your opinion which is different from mine.My answer is the same,I still would not take my kids to Egypt as I do not think it is safe.Obviously we disagree,so be it.
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Feb 29th, 2008, 06:05 AM
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Not defensive at all. Very comfy with the decisions we have made. I do not feel that Egypt is "unsafe" and I guess having lived there - I feel like maybe I have more "experience" in that matter than others.

Simply put - wouldn't change a thing we've done for the past 7 years.
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