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logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 03:06 AM

>Indonesia? Turkey?
Most definitively: YES, don't go, at least don't stay in the big hotels.
London: can't be avoided, relatively low danger. (You're not THE target there)

Egypt is waiting to be set on fire by extremism. Egypt can only exist due to havy repressions by the army. If they were allowed to vote in a real election it would be a fundamentalist state by tomorrow. Have you been to Cairo during the "cartoon uproar"? What did you think about at and did you feel safe as a non believer?

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 03:07 AM

Thanks elina! I was thinking I was the only woman who enjoyed being in Egypt!

Sounds like you had a great experience!

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 03:07 AM

elina, no offense, you must be above a certain age. :-)

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 03:11 AM

It's not a matter of age - it's a matter of how you handle yourself, how you dress, and how you act.

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 03:18 AM

How does a female tourist in Egypt have to dress, handle herself and act in order to avoid being harassed? I'm not talking about tour groups and people that never leave the hotels.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 03:20 AM

I was not in Cairo during the "cartoon" incident - but I was there for 9/11, for the invasion of Afghanistan, and for the invasion of Iraq.

While there were demonstrations, I knew to stay away from those areas. In the meantime, I continued to deal with the local shopkeepers and workers in our area. With the exception of the 1 taxi driver I mentioned in an earlier post - no problems. My DH worked alongside many, many Egyptians and there were no problems. Some polite discussions. Some disagreements, but no problems.

I feel sorry that this fear of terrorism so limits your travel. Turkey is one of my favorite places and we have been 3 times. Haven't made it to Indonesia - but we have friends moving there and it's on my list.

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 03:24 AM

Been to Turkey to many times anyway.
So, should we go to Egypt again asap, before we can't go at all, because it's turned into a fundamentalist muslim state? I won't be too long before that takes place.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 03:27 AM

I always dressed conservatively - pants or long skirts with blouses that covered my upper arms. Nothing tight or revealing.

My behavior and actions were confident but polite and respectful. I smiled a lot and spoke nicely to people. I had fun bargaining with the shopkeepers.

If I felt I was being hassled, I simply turned and walked away.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 03:35 AM

If someone wants to go to Egypt - they need to collect as much information as possible and assess the risks as they perceive them and act accordingly

I, personally, have no problems going to Egypt. I went along on a school trip last fall -taking 13 kids with us. They had a blast and not one parent expressed a concern about terrorist attacks.

StCirq Feb 26th, 2008 03:36 AM

I haven't been to Egypt, but I've been a woman traveling in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and most recently Kenya. There is no answer to the original question. If you travel with an open mind and heart you can go anywhere without hesitation and will for the most part be welcomed. Or, you might be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be hacked to death by some weirdo. You could also be in a plane crash or get run over by a bus.

There are no current indications that being an American in Egypt is a recipe for trouble, so odds are you can travel there without incident. It does help, whether in Paris or Cairo, to comport yourself with respect for the local culture.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 03:40 AM

Well said, StCirq!

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 03:49 AM

I believe Tunisia and Morocco are still far less "dangerous" and more westerised than Egypt. French culture has left a huge impact there. Tunisia is nice and rather safe. However, Algeria is only calm right now and the war could start again any time. I would't go to Kenya either.

But still, all these places are far different from Paris. If you don't respect the local culture in the streets of Paris, nobody would care much. :D

ekscrunchy Feb 26th, 2008 03:56 AM

I can only chime in and say that I am female and have traveled solo in Egypt. I had no problems.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 04:00 AM

It's in Egypt's best interest to keep the tourist industry healthy. It's also in Egypt's best industry to keep Americans happy. The is a huge American presence in Egypt - from the Embassy, the military, USAid, NGOs, and various corportation (from GM to Coke to BP to McDonalds, and on and on). Therefore, Egypt knows that it must do all it can to control the extremists in the country.

After 9/11, the biggest fear among the Egyptians I dealt with on a regular basis was that all the Americans were going to leave. They KNOW what that would do to the local economy.

While there are certainly extremist groups withing Egypt, I found the majority of the people very friendly and welcoming.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 04:08 AM

oops - to be technical - BP is NOT an American company - but in Egypt it was an Amoco office and there are several other oil and oil service companies there.

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 04:15 AM

Sounds rather scary to me! Let's just hope the calls for freedom don't get too loud in the future.

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 04:41 AM

To sum it up for the OP. :D

Would you mind going to MickeyD with your familiy, if RonaldMCD would be standing in front of the childrens playground armed with a machine gun to protect you? No, not a plastic one.

Reggs, what do you think?

Pinchme_iam_dreaming Feb 26th, 2008 04:49 AM

I agree with you logos999. They keep talking about how safe Egypt is because of all the "security" around!
I have never seen machine gun toting men guarding the tourist sights in Wahsington DC.

Grcxx3 Feb 26th, 2008 04:58 AM

Okay logos and Pinchme......PLEASE! STAY AWAY FROM EGYPT! And let the rest of us enjoy it!

To the OP - PLEASE - when you're through being "scared" by these guys, go over to the Africa & Middle East folks. Do a search. Read all the posts from people with your same concern. Then read their trip reports and comments. I think you'll get a much better perspective on things.

I never thought of myself as someone who "courted" danger. In fact, I'm pretty much a wimp about a lot of things. But our family (DH, me and 2 sons) LOVED the 4 years we lived in Egypt. DS#2 and I enjoyed the week-long visit we had last fall. And we all would HAPPILY go back to live there if the opportunity came up.

logos999 Feb 26th, 2008 05:06 AM

Grcxx3, if that's all you can say about reasonable and justifiable concers, it's not very convincing. So maybe you like guns pointed at you by security, which is the norm in Egypt once you leave your resort. The reason for the guns is the danger or what do you think would happen if the country would hold a free election.

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