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Rimwall Aug 30th, 2016 07:44 PM

Is Bullfighting still going-on in Spain in October?
 
We will visit Barcelona, Madrid (Segovia, Toledo), Seville, Cordoba, Granada, and Malaga from Oct.10 to Oct. 31. Is there still bullfighting in these cities during this period? Where to get their schedule and ticket price?

joannyc Aug 30th, 2016 08:28 PM

http://gospain.about.com/od/bullfigh...fightfests.htm

Try looking at the above site.

carreteraymanta Aug 30th, 2016 10:11 PM

The last two big Ferias are around the beginning and middle of October in Jaen and Zaragoza. You should wait till the end of September to know the dates.
It is easy to go from Granada or Cordoba to Jaen.

bilboburgler Aug 30th, 2016 10:57 PM

yes the evil practise continues and is still going on.

There is a far more "fair" version that occurs in southern France. They manage to ensure that only the humans may get killed, I'd go there.

kimhe Aug 31st, 2016 12:10 AM

<a far more "fair" version that occurs in southern France>

Southern France is now the home of the most popular traditional bullfights: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-france-spain

Southern France is pro bullfighting because Paris is against, and Catalunya/Barcelona is against bullfighting because Madrid wants it ;-)
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...y-2360934.html

Whathello Aug 31st, 2016 12:45 AM

I prefer foie gras.

huddoshols Aug 31st, 2016 12:54 AM

I guess the delicious tapas, magnificent wines and stunning scenery isn't enough??

bilboburgler Aug 31st, 2016 03:40 AM

"bread and circuses"

vincenzo32951 Aug 31st, 2016 03:58 AM

bil: I had to chuckle at the "fair" comment. The first and only time my wife and I went to a bullfight, in Spain, she said to me, "Gee, can't they at least give the bull a fair chance?" By the time the matador comes out, the bull is about ready to give up.

IMDonehere Aug 31st, 2016 05:25 AM

So you let others do your killing where you do not see it, so that is moral? Here is a list of a few products that come from cattle besides meat:

Leather

Gel capsules often are made from bovine gelatin.

Bars of soap probably come from processed cow tallow fat. Asphalt roads may contain bovine fatty acids.

Cars and trucks may ply those roads on rubber tires made
with cow oils.

The explosive nitroglycerine is manufactured from glycerine, which is extracted from cow fat.

Cattle byproducts go into everything from photographic film to matchstick heads.
Consider:

Glue made from cow's blood is widely used to make plywood.

The cow's nasal septum is processed into chondroitin sulfate, an alternative medical treatment for arthritis.

Extracted protein from horns and hooves goes into foam for fire extinguishers.

The root gland of the tongue yields pregastric lipase, which is used in cheese production as a curdling agent.

Tissue from the small intestines becomes catgut for racket strings or surgical sutures.

Epinephrine from the adrenal gland can treat hay fever, asthma or other allergies, or stimulate the heart in the event of cardiac arrest.

Catalase, a liver enzyme, goes into contact lens care products.

Whathello Aug 31st, 2016 06:41 AM

In 'Asterix en Hispanie' a GREAT french strip, about Gaulois at the time of Julius Caesar, Asterix fights a bull. Alone, disarmed. One guys tells his wife who finds it cruel that 'the man still has a fair chance to survive'.

O tempora, o mores.

But no IMD, I don't need to see animals being mistreated just for fun. I don't go hunting either. But yes, I do know that people kill animals for our needs. And I like foie gras.

IMDonehere Aug 31st, 2016 07:12 AM

So eating foie gras is not for fun, it is a necessity?

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Bullfighting is a part of the culture. Every culture has rites that make little sense to others, even to some of their own citizens.

vincenzo32951 Aug 31st, 2016 08:15 AM

I get the cultural thing. I don't get the equivalency of eating fois gras and paying to watch an animal get prodded and killed. But maybe it's just me.

IMDonehere Aug 31st, 2016 09:02 AM

Well, What mentioned that he was against bullfighting because it was done in the name of fun, but stated he liked foie gras.

So it is OK to kill one animal for your enjoyment, but not another?

So you object to the way animals are killed, as if you are at the slaughterhouse to see how the animals are executed.

kimhe Aug 31st, 2016 09:04 AM

Bullfighting is a rite that is supposed to be carried out in a very rigid and predetermined sequence, and it has nothing whatever to do with giving the bull "a fair chance".

In very rare occations the matador can pardon an especially agil and "brave" bull, as happened during that September night in the Southern French city of Nimes in 2012 that all bullfighting aficionados all around the world rave about. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-france-spain

Saw a bullfight 27 years ago, and never again.

bilboburgler Aug 31st, 2016 09:46 AM

Big difference between animal killing (which the US has developed to minimise shock and fear) and the idea of torturing an animal to death (which the Spanish have developed etc) still at least they don't push donkeys off church roofs anymore.

Read about the amazing Dr Temple Grandin

I'd make it fair, I'd stick a 4 inch knife in the Matador's back and slit his nostrils to see if he can focus on his job. Still at least the suit of lights would run red.

See also the Faroe islanders who have just killed their annual 90 whales by driving them into a bay, sticking a hook in the dorsel fin and draging them onto the beech. Cultural norms my AR&&.

Rimwall Aug 31st, 2016 10:02 AM

Thanks for all the information on bullfights and the arguments from both sides, which help me understand more about bullfights in Spain.

Whathello Aug 31st, 2016 11:11 AM

I was reflecting to an older thread where people who like foie gras were being accused of being basterds.

So it was quite ironic actually.

Now back to necessities (foie gras and Monbazillac are a necessity of life sure enough), tickets are not yet sold for people to attend killings in a slaughterhouse.

And I've been once in a slaughterhouse, If I were to go more often, either I'd get used to it or I'd become a vegan.

IMDonehere Aug 31st, 2016 11:28 AM

Bullfighting is a centuries old spectacle that is a cultural rite but also the scorn of late 20th and 21st centuries sensibility.

You should read about it independently and decide on your own. When I saw my first corrida I thought I would be repulsed but found it fascinating. Many who hate it, have nor seen it. While has been banned in Catalunya for the last five years.

Whathello Aug 31st, 2016 11:33 AM

Gladiators fighting each others have also been a cultural rite. We got rid of those, which proves our societies can evolve, so it is time to do the same with corridas.
IMHO.
But these threads will have the pros and cons and nobody will change his mind.
For me, corridas are obsolete, a reminiscence of a dark past and a show that relish on gore and appeals to the worst of our instincts.
But it is my opinion. And everybody has an opinion, like everydody has an ar$ehole. Which I do have too.
A very strong one too.

vincenzo32951 Aug 31st, 2016 12:08 PM

IM: >>So you object to the way animals are killed, as if you are at the slaughterhouse to see how the animals are executed.<<

I have seen it. Now, it's no day at the beach, but it done as quickly as possible, if for no other than business reasons.

Loacker Aug 31st, 2016 01:03 PM

Please boycott the show. You'll sleep less guilty.

danon Aug 31st, 2016 01:58 PM

On my way to the Madrid airport in April, the taxi driver mentioned the upcoming bullfights and how popular they are.
When I said the bullfights had been banned in Barcelona, he replied :" they are not Spanish ".
He did mutter something about how people also get killed by people ...so..

Rindaroy Sep 1st, 2016 05:35 AM

There is bullfighting all the year, you just need to look up for dates.

Bedar Sep 1st, 2016 07:24 AM

The Feria de San Lucas in Jaen will take place from Oct. 8 to Oct. 18. I think you'll find it an interesting event.

Loacker Sep 1st, 2016 01:39 PM

"i"When I said the bullfights had been banned in Barcelona, he replied :" they are not Spanish ".
He did mutter something about how people also get killed by people ...so.."i"

And since when was "people killing people" socially acceptable? Bullfighting aficionados will come up with all sorts of absurdities to defend this savage activity, disguised as a "cultural tradition".

Equally absurd is the argument presented by IMDoneHere. How can anyone equate the humane slaughter of animals - in which the animal is rendered insensitive to pain and killed as quickly as possible- to a brutal activity in which the bull dies a slow and torturous death, is beyond me.

Nothing justifies needlesss suffering.

PalenQ Sep 1st, 2016 01:46 PM

I always root for the bull to somehow gore the matador or picadors - but if animal torture appeals to your prurient interests it is a great show -

Catalunya/Barcelona is against bullfighting because Madrid wants it>

May be this was said tongue in cheek but Catalans are way more enlightened about animal abuse and torture - in line like in many ways with the rest of Europe about this.

bullfighting is a dying spectacle in Spain - no pun intended.

You know it's over when the bull vomits up tons of blood in the arena.

IMDonehere Sep 1st, 2016 02:08 PM

Equally absurd is the argument presented by IMDoneHere. How can anyone equate the humane slaughter of animals - in which the animal is rendered insensitive to pain and killed as quickly as possible- to a brutal activity in which the bull dies a slow and torturous death, is beyond me.
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It is like being against capitol punishment when the electric chair is used but not for lethal injection. The end is the same.

When the activity suits someone's need, like eating meat in some form or another, it is acceptable and justified.

frencharmoire Sep 1st, 2016 02:31 PM

Rimwall,

I am not sure what you didn't know about bullfighting before you asked your question, but there really is no mystery that it painfully executes animals, in an extended way, for entertainment. Hope you will turn your back on this and join those arguing for an end to it.

PalenQ Sep 1st, 2016 02:40 PM

It is like being against capitol punishment when the electric chair is used but not for lethal injection. The end is the same.

When the activity suits someone's need, like eating meat in some form or another, it is acceptable and justified.>

Unadluterated B.S.

To compare the killing of animals in a presumably humane way to torturing the animal for minutes by sticking picks in their backs to tanatalize it plus the brutal training that goes into producing a fighting bull is just yes Bull Tweed.

Now animals for human consumption should be slaughtered as humanely as possible and now are not but that is another argument.

Same as ISIS executing those nine teen-age boys by tying them to stakes and slicing them in half in public with a chain saw is way way more whatever than executing someone with an injection that puts them to sleep.

Yes they are the same thing in the end but so so different in how they are carried out.

Talk about nonsense reasoning - IMD takes the cake!

Loacker Sep 1st, 2016 02:43 PM

In an ideal world, everyone would be a vegetarian. But just because people consume meat, doesn't mean you can throw donkeys off a building or microwave your cat for fun. In some poor countries with, a meat-based diet is the only option.

Whathello Sep 1st, 2016 02:59 PM

Someone found the activity the need to rebuild a country.
To do so he decided to kill the ones responsible for the state of his country.
Some followers found it perfectly justifiable.

Not So Doable According People.


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