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tedgale Dec 1st, 2004 05:03 PM

A humble linguistic inquiry: What does "C'aillez" mean??? Is it Spanish?

degas Dec 1st, 2004 05:04 PM

Roll up your pants legs - its getting real deep!




PalQ Dec 1st, 2004 05:13 PM

C'aillez is the retort French parents always give their kids as in 'it's over'. When a kid is getting out of hand, a stern c'aillez is usually enought to get the point across.

fehgeddaboudit Dec 1st, 2004 05:14 PM

<b>AAFrequentFlyer</b> : did you hear the &quot;pop!&quot; this morning when you freed your head from your tailend? I think not.

READ the following excerpts which prompted my post:

Author: PalQ
Date: 12/01/2004, 03:58 pm
Message: &quot;I just returned from the UK...&quot;

Author: mamc
Date: 12/01/2004, 04:40 pm
Message: You just returned from Europe where you saw girls playing volleyball topless in Munich?

kswl Dec 1st, 2004 07:06 PM

Now here's a question: why would anybody want to play volleyball topless? (Unless it is an exhibition game, of course.)

I personally believe that television is both stupid and vulgar--and that is why we haven't had one for 9 years. I occasionally watch tv in hotels, and of course the kids watched at their friends' homes (of two in college, one has a tv and one doesn't). Television in Europe is also stupid and vulgar, but even more so. But it always HAS been--the medium lends itself to vulgarity. In the 70's I watched a &quot;family feud&quot; type show in Holland in which one family tried to &quot;out fart&quot; the other----this is no joke or exaggeration. There's no sense of propriety on t.v. Instead of complaining about that, however, I just don't have one. We haven't felt left out because we don't have that one big connection to popular culture---which, by definition, is not enduring or substantial.

By European standards I am a prude. I don't want to see topless bathers, but instead of complaining about it I simply stay away from the beaches. It seems to me that OP is suggesting that American prudes are moral vigilantes. Perhaps some are--but that may have more to do with their politics/social agenda than their morals.

AisleSeat Dec 1st, 2004 07:55 PM

At least you can count on Fodor-ites to go without their bluejeans in Europe.

SeaUrchin Dec 1st, 2004 10:35 PM

I have been on some beaches in Europe where I wished the bathers laying and prancing about had been more modest. Public nudity is not always a good thing to watch.

If women's frontal nudity is routine on network TV in the UK, why not male frontal nudity?

SidB Dec 1st, 2004 11:24 PM

&quot;&quot;&quot; Now graft and corruption in a public office-holder to me is totally unacceptable and this is one area where i think we Americans have the upper morality hand.&quot;&quot;&quot;

Are you on crack ? Who finances politicians in America ? Why would big business make huge donations to campaigns if not to corrupt the political process ?

I also find it strange that some people take the moral high ground in the country that produces the most pornography, allows handguns, has a gang culture in certain areas, has funded the overthrow of regimes, had segregation, etc etc. I could continue.

I just had to get that off my chest.

My personal perception is that the USA in general is more conservative than Europe.

kappa Dec 1st, 2004 11:35 PM

Just for the record,

PalQ, sorry but that's &quot;&ccedil;a y est&quot;. I did not understand at first what you meant by &quot;C'aillez&quot; but then realized. &quot;&ccedil;a y est&quot; literally meanins &quot;it-there-is&quot;.

Florence Dec 1st, 2004 11:48 PM

&quot;Look, the US is simply bigger, which means there's more of everything, including more morons. And because the morons shout, they tend to drown out the intelligent people, which the USA also has more of. Unless you believe the Hubble telescope was built by the audience of the Ricky Lake show, that is.&quot; (author Terry Pratchett, in an interview)

TripleSecDelay Dec 1st, 2004 11:56 PM

Hmmmmmmmm. Thank you. I think.

tedgale Dec 2nd, 2004 02:50 AM

kappa and PalQ:

Well I wondered if &quot;ca y est&quot; was what was meant.

By what miracle of retention of utterly useless titbits from my childhood do I remember the advice that my high-school principal -- a dry, severe man we called The Grey Shadow&quot; -- gave us, sans translation, on graduation in 1969? It was a quotation from some deceased French worthy:

&quot;Si ca y est, ca y est. Si ca n'y est pas, faut recommencer. Tout le reste est de la blague.&quot;

which I translate freely as:

&quot;If you've got it right, you've got it right. I you've got it wrong, start over. The rest is a breeze.&quot;

BTW: In what English-language high-school of today would a principal assume that every graduate would be able to translate that sentence?

lobo_mau Dec 2nd, 2004 03:37 AM

Not exactly in topic, but within the same context. I have a very hard time trying to explain to my children why mothers and sons and fathers and daughters kiss each other lips in American movies. Is it a normal practice in the US or am I just watching the wrong movies?

RufusTFirefly Dec 2nd, 2004 03:37 AM

Who would be ignorant enough to assume that everyone in a particular high school would be able to speak French (or German, or Russian, or Arabic, or Korean, or.....)--unless it was the only foreign language taught and everyone was required to take it?

tedgale Dec 2nd, 2004 03:48 AM

French is not a foreign language in Canada.

kaudrey Dec 2nd, 2004 04:41 AM

Um, lobo - what movies are you watching? It is not common practice for families to kiss each other on the lips in the US, at least not where I've grown up and lived - the northeast and now the mid-Atlantic. I can't think of a movie where I've seen this, either, off hand, so maybe you are watching the wrong movies! :)

Karen


caroline_edinburgh Dec 2nd, 2004 04:46 AM

I was amused by a comment I heard (can't remember where) on the Janet Jackson incident, about people getting upset by a few seconds' sight of a breast in the middle of 3 hours of extreme violence :-)

SidB Dec 2nd, 2004 04:49 AM

Message: French is not a foreign language in Canada

English is a foreign language in some parts of the UK.

zee123 Dec 2nd, 2004 05:30 AM

While sneaking my daily peek into Fodors during working hours, coworkers are wondering why I'm having so much fun reading!
Ira your humor wins hands down!

ira Dec 2nd, 2004 05:34 AM

Thank you, Zee.


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