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Fraggle Mar 21st, 2007 07:04 AM

Impressing and Surprising a Paris "Expert"
 
I'm headed to Paris in a few weeks. My travel partner lived in Paris 15 years ago (has been back several times) and is a total foodie.

While I'm busy creating a list of my personal must-dos (I've never been to Paris), I'd like to come up with a few things that my partner has not done or seen.

Obviously, thousands of restaurants, shops, and a few sights have opened and closed in that time. This is a request for a hodge podge of new/unusual/timely things to do.

If you were to name Paris's top new additions in the last 2-3 years what would you include? A few categories:

Bar:
Shop:
Club:
Gallery:
Cafe:
Tour:
Museum:
Restaurant:
Public Spot:

Hopefully this question makes sense and is a little fun to answer. Should it matter, we will be in Paris the third week of April.

I feel I should mention that my partner is a musician as well...it would be fun to wander a music store (instruments) or record shop.

artlover Mar 24th, 2007 12:14 PM

ttt

ira Mar 24th, 2007 12:19 PM

Hi F,

Musee Quay Branley

Has your TC been to "Le Train Bleu"?

((I))

Kristina Mar 24th, 2007 12:27 PM

Ok, this isn't "new", but it certainly qualifies as "unusual" and not something every tourist sees. In fact, it's easy to miss.
It's the public restroom at the Place de la Madeline.
This is not just any old public restroom but one built by the famous "Porcher" ceramic manufacturer in 1905. It harkens back to a much more refined era. It's underground and filled with dark wood paneling, stained glass, beautiful tiles and individual "cabins", each with their own washbasin. Definitely different and unique.
You can see pictures of it on my travelogue:
http://www.wired2theworld.com/paris2005day3and4.html

Afterward you can walk over to the Laduree pastry shop and buy the fabulous, famous "macaron" cookies.

Travelnut Mar 24th, 2007 12:45 PM

Fraggle, do a little research on the couple of areas of Paris that have (or are) undergoing a regeneration... I believe that the Oberkampf and Canal St Martin areas would qualify, as would the whole new development around Bercy, including a new footbridge between there and Bibliotheque.
www.bercyvillage.com
http://www.paris-360.com/panorama/qu...-beauvoir.html

Maybe there are some new jazz or music venues that have opened up in the past few years...?

New museum on the Seine, Quai Branley...
www.quaibranly.fr/

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 24th, 2007 01:15 PM

Another option is the newly renovated and reopened Orangerie. It is a fabulous museum.

NeoPatrick Mar 24th, 2007 01:22 PM

Go to Bercy Village, the redone area of old wine warehouses now shops and cafes. It's a wonderful example of successful revitalization. And the gardens next door are pretty neat too. Not to mention the very modern new line of the Metro to get there.

hopscotch Mar 24th, 2007 03:00 PM


Kristina,

Many beautiful photos. Thank you for the memories.

I especially like the composition of the first one, Obelisque and Tour Eiffel. It is a classic. I got out my map of Paris so I will know where to stand and take my own photo of these two monuments together.


Cestlavie Mar 24th, 2007 04:55 PM

typos at the end.

Enough on this topic. Merci.

kerouac Mar 25th, 2007 12:28 AM

The most unusually located new club in Paris is the Showcase (www.showcase.fr), which is located INSIDE the Pont Alexandre III (that's the big golden bridge with the statues). Click on the video virtual tour on the website and you will see that Paris is still full of surprises.

tod Mar 25th, 2007 01:22 AM

FRAGGLE - If your travel partner is a total foodie this may surprise and delight him/her. I tried to book but it was full so maybe you'll have better luck.

In the 6th book a table for lunch or dinner at Restaurant B.E.P. of the E`cole Ferrandi. They may have moved but my address is 11 Jean Ferrandi. Tel: 01 49 54 29 33 or 01 49 54 28 00.
Metro: St. Placide.

Miles Turner author of Pauper's Paris writes:
"This just has to be the best-kept culinary secret of Paris, according to our friend, Gloria Girton. It's actually the training scool run by the Paris Chamber of Commerce. Thus, the menu is always changing. The table are most attractively set, and we wish that all Paris waiters and waitresses were as nice as the ones training here.
The menu is a pre-fix, and it's a feast. For instance, fish in a sauce of cream, shrimps and mussels: or the best roast beef in France, sliced very thin and served with a marchand de vin sauce and very delicate roasted potatoes.
Other main courses looked equally inviting. After that, you are offered a choice of seasonal salad or an exquisite cheese tray, and then the desert - four courses in all. Crepes Suzette were prepared at the table with great elan, but there were also fresh strawberried, pastries, fresh fruit in eau de vie.
Open from 12.30 to 2.30pm, the B.E.P. seats 40-50 and is open weekends and during student vacations.
NOT TO BE MISSED!"

RosieinOz Mar 25th, 2007 02:43 AM

Thanks for the post Fraggle we will be in Paris for the first time soon..arrive Good Friday.
Have a great time!
Rosie((f))

Anneparis Mar 25th, 2007 02:51 AM

You can find a comprehensive review of Bercy Village here :
http://afoodiefroggy.canalblog.com/a...4/3896413.html
And I strongly recommend that you visit the Museum of Fairground arts located at Bercy Village.

Truffaut Mar 26th, 2007 06:16 AM

Les Ombres, the restaurant on top of the Musée du Quai Branly, is certainly new and certainly surprising. It makes for a very nice lunch experience.

NeoPatrick Mar 26th, 2007 06:42 AM

Anneparis, although I've been to the Bercy Village quite a bit and that's why I suggested it above, I don't have a clue about the Fairground arts museum, nor have I seen it. Is that new? Is it next to the theatres or somewhere else?

kerouac Mar 26th, 2007 08:39 AM

It is at the far end, away from the cinema... and one street over in the direction of Bercy Expo. It is not on the pedestrian way.

Chelsea212 Mar 26th, 2007 08:52 AM

bookmarking - thanks for all the great ideas!

merrittm Mar 26th, 2007 10:25 AM

ttt

Christina Mar 26th, 2007 10:52 AM

I'll leave the trendy bars, clubs etc. to others (you can read about them in the Nouvel Observateur magazine or places like that, if you really want to brush up on them). Paris Voice is an English-language magazine and might have some of that. Do you know French? If so, there are prlbably quite a few websites where you could find out that type of thing.

In any case, I am an amateur musiciain, I play the piano, and have studied music in Paris and do frequent some music stores there, so I'll comment on that. First, regular music stores for instruments, such as pianos, are nothing any different than anywhere else. Besides, the top pianos aren't French nowadays.

I do usually stop into some sheet music store as music that is only published in France will be cheaper there, and you often have more choice of French composers, in any case. I mainly know the piano literature, though, so it really makes a difference and you haven't even named your partner's instrument. Not a good sign in terms of your music interest... But it makes it more difficult to suggest things as some stores are better at one type of instrument than others, and stores that specialize in pianos usually don't sell other types of instruments (like woodwinds), for example. Stores that specialize in electronic instruments, like guitars/amps, etc., for rock or techno groups aren't going to be selling French horns.

Record stores are record stores, but the big names can be fun if your partner is not a classical musician, you haven't even said which, I suppose. Just go to the Virgin Records or FNAC on the Champs-Elysees, that should do it (or any branch). AS for classical music CDs, no reason at all to go to a record store in Paris for that, it is international and they will cost more there.

There are some special sites one might want to visit for music reasons, but as I said, I mainly know interests to pianists. Your partner probably would know them or have an agenda anyway, if that were really important to him/her (I really this post is intentionally mysterious on these scores, not sure why). Ditto for the stores as a place to look for music, the partner wouldn't need advice from someone who didn't know their particular instrument or even period of music they wanted to play or did the most -- or whether they wanted music for solo instrument, duets, trios, or orchestral scores.

Okay, here are a couple suggestions about the music thing, although obviously, one could always go to a good concert at the Theatre des Champs-Elysees or some place, but that is best left to the person who is the musician to decide what and where they want to go. I know many types of concerts some people might like would not be anything I would care to go to for various reasons, or would not be of the quality or repertoire I would want.

Some unusual thing would be to visit Paris Accordeon in the 14th arrondisement on rue Daguerre, a store dedicated to all things accordion, that's very French. http://www.parisaccordeon.com/

It's an interesting area to walk around, anyway, on rue Daguerre which is a market street, and nearby Montparnasse.

Secondly, I would put the Paris Music Museum (Cite de la Musique complex) on my list of top must-sees in Paris, and that wasn't there 15 years ago (but isn't new in the last 2-3). I think it is one of the best music museums in Europe. It's out near Villette. It does have an excellent bookshop, actually, which includes various musical items of interest (most of the books are in French). They also have concerts out there at times, but I think the music museum and bookshop are the main draws
http://www.cite-musique.fr/

If your partner is a pianist and you want suggestions for good music stores, let me know.

Fraggle Mar 27th, 2007 09:00 AM

Oh I'm so embarassed; last I checked here I didn't see any replies and I thought I had asked a dumb question! Thank you for coming through for me! I will now digest all your suggestions and will be back (in a moment!) with questions.

Fraggle Mar 27th, 2007 09:13 AM

Patrick--- Bercy sounds like a good suggestion; is it a place that would be better suited for an afternoon or an evening? Looking at the site it looks nice though I guess I wonder if it feels contrived at all. I'm guessing that if you're recommending it it's probably not but just checking!

Despite casually browsing on this site for months, I had COMPLETELY forgotten the often mentioned Orangerie; of course! Looking at the website I'm struggling for a good estimate as far as time goes--can anyone compare it in size/scale to a one of NYC's museums?

Thanks for the museum suggestion Travelnut.

Christina---the partner is actually more of a rocker---he collects guitars of all types.


NeoPatrick Mar 27th, 2007 11:38 AM

Contrived? Yea, I suppose so. I guess anytime a developer takes an old "slum" and converts it to upscale shops and entertainment venues it would have to be contrived. But it is well done. The shops are sort of "nature store" type places, a museum store, some wine, kitchen, bath, and olive places, etc. And there are about a dozen cafes on the "avenue". The adjacent gardens are very pretty, and I love watching them mow the grass on the sloped "roof/sides" of the Bercy exhibition hall.

The Monet waterlilies at the Orangerie take 10 to 20 minutes. We enjoyed the collection in the lower level for about an hour more. It's not a huge museum.

mlaffitte Mar 27th, 2007 12:36 PM

L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon is a wonderful and relatively new (more than 2 or 3 years, but less than 5)addition to the Paris food scene.
For sightseeing, the Nef du Grand Palais and the Petit Palais both have recently reopened after lengthy renovations.
The place to go for sheet music and instruments is rue de Rome, but a musician who lived in Paris would probably know that already.

Christina Mar 27th, 2007 12:59 PM

well Fraggle, I have no idea about guitars and rockers in terms of stores, but think that probably wouldn't work too well. However, the Music Museum is still a good idea, maybe -- depends on the partner's real interest in music as a whole or a continuum. They have Zappa's Moog synthesizer in there, for example. If he is only interested in rock, then maybe forget that.

nukesafe Mar 27th, 2007 01:02 PM

Tod,

I looked up your suggested Restaurant B.E.P. at the Ecole Ferrandi, but could find no mention of a restaurant on any site, except to say it was open from 12:00 to 2:30. Any idea of how to mak reservations, or how much it costs?

Sounds like it is worth pursuing.

Thanks,

:-)

Fraggle Mar 27th, 2007 01:05 PM

Christina! He's a huge Zappa fan---we actually saw his son Dweezil play this past winter. THANK YOU for the suggestion; I'm sure he will not know that it's there... what a great thing to "stumble on".

Thanks mfallite for the Joel Rubochon mention...I'm prepared to spend a lot for one really great dinner---maybe this is the spot.

I know that he did eat in the restaurant in the Eiffel Tower about 15 years ago--I think he'd like to go again. From my research Le Jules Verne is not the best meal that can be had in Paris but surely memorable. Any recent visitors? Perhaps its bettter now with Ducasse at the helm.

kwren Mar 27th, 2007 01:25 PM

Thanks from me for the music info - for the next trip to Paris with my kids

Christina Mar 27th, 2007 02:35 PM

You're kidding!!!! isn't that hysterical, who would have thought it. I'm a Zappa fan, too, that's why I really enjoyed seeing it.

That museum covers all periods of music from very early times up to the present, so it really is fascinating and is very well done. They have those cool earphones like they have in some museums now, and you go around to displays and then you get little lectures and can hear what these ancient instruments sound like. Or current ones. The museums is arranged so you can walk through chronologically, so if you aren't interested in Renaissance flutes, you can skip on to the next century, etc. Zappa's synthesizer (and there is a steel pedal guitar in there, also, not going into that as I have a friend who loves though and they drive me up the wall) is near the end, of course. They have a saxophone of Adoph Sax, also. This is an excerpt of a description of some of their recent acquisitions:

<<... des guitares ayant appartenu à Django Reinhardt et au duo Presti-Lagoya, le violon Hel de Stéphane Grapelli, la console électronique du Groupe de recherches musicales de Pierre Schaeffer, un synthétiseur mis au point et utilisé par Frank Zappa, l’ordinateur « 4 X » de l’IRCAM.>>

In other words, they have Django Reinhardt's guitar, Grapelli's violin, and Zappa's synthesizer, among other things.

StCirq Mar 27th, 2007 03:29 PM

How about lunch at La Maison Fournaise on the Ile des Impressionistes, just a short RER ride out of central Paris, where Renoir painted "Luncheon of the Boating Party'."?

www.restaurant-fournaise.fr

JoeTro Mar 27th, 2007 03:50 PM

You don't need super-long to see the Orangerie. Maybe 1.5 - 2 hours, depending how long you want to look at the Monets.

kaz11 Mar 27th, 2007 04:13 PM

Fraggle- hope you don't mind but I might pinch some ideas too for my upcoming trip.

My husband is also a muso and a huge Zappa fan, so the music museum will be on our list.

Just a question about Bercy village (if you don't mind fraggle), is it only for repeat visitors as suggested on the afoodiefroggy blog site, or would you recommend it to a first timer?

thanks
kaz

Danna Mar 27th, 2007 05:34 PM

Perhaps eating at Dans le Noir. Where you eat in total darkness and are served by blind wait staff. It is very cool!

http://www.danslenoir.com/accueil_an/accueil_an.php

Danna Mar 27th, 2007 05:36 PM

I should add that my daughter and I ate at Dans le Noir and loved the experience. You should make reservations early in your trip though. We ended up eating very late on a Sunday, so could have planned better.

Fraggle Mar 28th, 2007 05:49 AM

kaz--- I looked at the site too---it looks neat. Is Zappa's synthesizer there permanently? Guess I just wanted to confirm!

A friend told me lines for L'Orangerie are really long. When is the best time to go?

Christina Mar 28th, 2007 08:58 AM

I think Zappa's synthesizer is there permanently, even though they say it is a "recent acquisition", that is a relative term because the city did have a small music museum for years ago in central Paris, I suppose, but this new one is much larger. Anyway, it's been there since I was first there shortly after opening, so that was probably around 1996, ten years ago. The cafe out there is supposed to be trendy/popular, but it never seemed like anything special to me.

tod Mar 29th, 2007 07:48 AM

Nukesafe - Looks like the school has moved and now calls itself:
Ecole Gregoire-Ferrandi, 28 rue de l'Abbe Gregoire, 75006. Metro, St.Placide
I found this on the web:
www.ferrandicontact.com

I don't know about the old phone numbers though. They don't give any on their website.




nukesafe Mar 29th, 2007 07:59 AM

Thank you very much, Tod, for the information.

Evidently the new restaurant is called L'Epi Dupin, http://www.epidupin.com/ and clicking on the name on the website you referenced brings up the restaurant's site. The menu is €32.

Has anyone tried the place since the change?

:-)


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