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If Scotland Goes Its Own Way...Impact On Tourists?

Old Apr 8th, 2014, 07:53 AM
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"f you... fly to Rome, do you really have to "pre-file" your plans into any system? "

In effect, yes. The issue about psychological barriers isn't about time at passport control (though at British airports that's a serious issue, and one that now affects those with EU passports more than "real" foreigners).

It's that it flags a journey as "foreign". And that's what both "yes" and "no" campaigners want to avoid

It's a non-issue, of course, because the SNP and the "no" campaigners agree on the problem, and on what to do about it (include Scotland in the Common Travel area), and the Republic of Ireland government is happy to have an independent Scotland in it as well. So, bluntly, it really doesn't matter whether people outside the Common Travel Area agree with us all that borders are a bad thing.

"We have a lot more difference between some states - like Mississippi and Alabama and northern states than the difference I see between Scotland and England say."

Pity no-one told Lincoln that before 600,000 Americans were killed to prevent them seceding. Remember: the American Civil War wasn't fought to abolish slavery
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 08:02 AM
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Remember: the American Civil War wasn't fought to abolish slavery>

not really but it was a peripheral issue - the war was sparked by Lincoln's campaign pledge that all new states admitted would be free states - where slavery was illegal - until then for each free state admitted one with slavery had to be admitted to keep the balance between slave and non-slave states.

The South, seeing the handwriting on the wall balked at this and declared its independence - a few rich folks did - landowners who benefitted from slavery - so the war was fought over slavery or at least caused by it as the South could see that if lots of news states came in where slavery was illegal sooner or later Congress would abolish slavery as the north wanted to do - Lincoln however said nothing about freeing the slaves until 1863 Proclamation of Emancipation, in part because the war was going so terrible - trying to get runaway slaves into the Union Army - some slaves ironically were in the Confederate Army!
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 08:10 AM
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Sounds like the Quebec/Canada situation!!!
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 08:44 AM
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>>Will Hadrian's Wall be reconstructed and reinforced?<<

I think you'll find the border has been fixed elsewhere rather more recently.

>>Sounds like the Quebec/Canada situation!!!<<

You're not wrong. This may run on and on just as inconclusively.
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 08:51 AM
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Quebec voters yesterday sent a strong message to Canada that they do not want anything to do with separation - the Partie Quebecois (sp?) held this election because they thought they could grab power locally and thus launch a separation thing.

Backfired as opponents were swept into office and the Partie Quebecois got turned out in droves.
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 01:39 PM
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Thanks Patrick.
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 02:20 PM
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>>Will Hadrian's Wall be reconstructed and reinforced?<<

It would be like neighbours from hell with international sanctions over who was responsible for 84 miles of stone/trellis/creosote.
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Old Apr 8th, 2014, 11:22 PM
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>>It would be like neighbours from hell with international sanctions over who was responsible for 84 miles of stone/trellis/creosote.<<

And I wouldn't place bets on the outcome if someone plants Leylandii....
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 03:23 AM
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Help! You can tell when you are entering the Irish Republic when the markings at the side of the road change colour. "You can tell when you'r approaching the Scottish border when you see the Leylandii hedge."

I worry more that Scotland might be Trumped with tatty theme parks and holiday centres.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 04:06 AM
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>>"You can tell when you'r approaching the Scottish border when you see the Leylandii hedge."<<

Or when the road signs start including Gaelic in places where the language was never much spoken.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 04:34 AM
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"Or when the road signs start including Gaelic in places where the language was never much spoken."

That's why joining the EU matters so much. EFTA (which in many ways is a much more sensible alternative, especially if Norway's your model) doesn't have a fund for encouraging minority obsessions.

But the EU does have a "languages you've forgotten about" support fund. This wouldn't just pay the Scotch to have bilingual road signs: they could get the (English and Dutch) taxpayers to shell out for signs saying "pay for parking here" in English, Gaelic and whatever we're supposed to call that silly dialect Rabbie Burns blethered in.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 04:54 AM
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Keep the negative/disparaging comments coming... It's exactly these sentiments that are swinging the polls in favour of the yes campaign.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 06:16 AM
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I don't want it to be 'Yes'. Tommy will probably stop sending me tablet if he has to pay international postage rates.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 06:24 AM
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"It's exactly these sentiments that are swinging the polls in favour of the yes campaign."

Is that a promise?

Because if telling the truth about Scotland is all it takes to get rid of you, there'll be 40-odd million of us queueing up.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 06:34 AM
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I think you are wrong by about 39,999,999
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 07:05 AM
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Seems like Scots are stabbing themselves in the back thru sheer emotion and years of English hegemony affecting their alleged clarity of mind - well perhaps too much whisky?

I assume Scotland gets more benefits from Westminster than they pay in taxes? Then again who does own that dwindling oil supply?
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 08:53 AM
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[[ Pity no-one told Lincoln that before 600,000 Americans were killed to prevent them seceding. Remember: the American Civil War wasn't fought to abolish slavery ]]

Actually, it was all about slavery, but after human bondage went out of fashion, some revisionist southerners began pretending it had been about states' rights.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 10:07 AM
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>>Seems like Scots are stabbing themselves in the back thru sheer emotion and years of English hegemony affecting their alleged clarity of mind - well perhaps too much whisky?<<

The underlying problem is that English and Scottish voters have drifted apart politically over the last 30-40 years, to the extent that currently no Scottish constituency at Westminster is represented by a Conservative - where the Tories were the majority party in Scotland as elsewhere, as recently as 1955.

In effect the nominal Unionist party is, near as dammit, now the English National Party - and has tended to behave like it (even though the Scottish Parliament and its different electoral system has actually given the Scottish Tories a bit of lifeline).

So the SNP has gone into this campaign offering the vision of an independently social democratic Scotland, Scandinavian-style: such an option for the whole of the UK never being an option with this government, and the last Labour government having rather vitiated the idea one way and another (albeit it had a lot of Scottish MPs in it). It looks positive and forward-looking, even if all the awkward questions remain unanswered, about funding, the EU, and how genuine an economic independence there can be without an independent central bank.
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 10:19 AM
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Scotland does have one Tory MP at Westminster .there are however more pandas in Scotland than Tory MP's
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Old Apr 9th, 2014, 10:22 AM
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Good summary of the motivation behind the yes campaign Patrick. I would love to see the scandinavian socialist model across the whole of the UK, however without wishing to make excuses for the governments of the past few decades I wonder to what extent that sort of model is achievable with a population as high as the UK. Interesting to note than all the places that successfully operate this model have population ranges in the 5-10 million ballpark, and generally closer to the lower of the two figures. Thus I think it might well be achievable for Scotland, but possibly not for the union as a whole, however desirable.

I also agree that political uncertainty is not a reason not to make change - I can't see Scotland being denied entry to the EU, and the £ will like as not be declared a shared asset in exchange for share of national debt, and possible retention/sharing of strategic defence sites/military bases. Even if I am wrong, what (democratic) country does know who will be in power 10 years from now and what policies that party may choose to adopt?
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