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Statia Oct 10th, 2005 12:28 PM

cmt, the biscuits eaten with gravy are not hard at all (unless overbaked). They are soft and are the same ones that you would typically put butter and jam/jelly on.

The gravy that I've always had on biscuits is cream gravy made with pan drippings, flour and milk. It is even better with bits of cooked sausage or bacon in it.

I agree that I've seen biscuits and cream gravy on the menu at many southern style restaurants across the US, but I think that as far as being homemade they're mostly something you'll get at your southern grandma's house. :) Definitely comfort food and definitely too many calories/fat to have very often.

ThinGorjus Oct 10th, 2005 12:30 PM

Suki, I find it hard to believe that you grew up outside of Philly and never had biscuits & gravy. You find b/g all over Pennsylvania Dutch country.

This Englishman, who nows lives in Philly, loves both biscuits and scones. My mother used to make BIS-QUICK biscuits for as children. She would buy the boxes in the US, then take them back to the UK with her (and Spam too). We also used to LOVE cornbread with gravy.

SuzieC Oct 10th, 2005 12:38 PM

and french fries with beef gravy!

cmt Oct 10th, 2005 12:43 PM

"Biscotti" translates to "bscuits" in English. I know that's a different kind of biscuits from the kind that you eat as bread, or cover with gravy (something I've never seen anywhere), but I was just commenting on what automatic association is with the word "biscuits." Dog biscuits, too, are different, though I guess related to the cookie-type biscotti in the way their produced.

Statia, thank you for the explanation of the gravy. I'm actually not very up on gravy, even for use on meats. I grew up in a non-gravy eating family (we had it once a year on Thanksgiving, but found it rather off), and never quite developed a feel for how it's supposed to be made. It sounds like food for very active hardworking farmers and not exactly ideal for sedentary writers, secretaries, lawyers, architects, telephone operators, professors, etc.

Statia Oct 10th, 2005 12:49 PM

Yes, ThinG! Bisquick is what all homemade biscuits I've always had have been made from.

I never thought about biscuits and gravy being big in Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Statia Oct 10th, 2005 12:53 PM

cmt, I just saw your post. Yes, in my own family biscuits and gravy were mostly reserved for the hardworking men such as farmers and oil refinery workers. Those jobs that required a hearty breakfast for a long day's work outdoors.

We only have them now once in a blue moon on a Sunday. But, I sure would love to have them every Sunday if my waistline would afford it. :) What's the saying..."you can take the girl out of the south, but...."

Suki Oct 10th, 2005 01:00 PM

Well, thinG, I grew up in Bucks County, not in the western suburbs.
I'm not sure I ever visited Lancaster County as a child.

Funny, that as an English child you would have BisQuick biscuits. My dad used to make dumplings for stew from BisQuick also. They were my favorite part of the stew.

BTilke Oct 10th, 2005 01:04 PM

I'm Pennsylvania Dutch and while we had biscuits, we always had them with butter, not gravy. Gravy was for waffles, mashed potatoes or filling (NEVER call it stuffing!).

Statia Oct 10th, 2005 01:16 PM

Gravy on waffles? Wow, I learn something new every day. :)

henneth Oct 10th, 2005 01:26 PM

jnn1964,
I'd expect if McDonalds in the U.K tried to market their sausage biscuit they'd find a different name for it. People would be expecting a banger sandwiched between two chocolate Hobnobs.

Nikki Oct 10th, 2005 01:30 PM

Growing up in New York and living since then in Chicago and Massachusetts, I never had biscuits that I can remember until I had one at McDonald's, and yes, I guess at Kentucky Fried Chicken too. This just isn't something that I saw in everyday use until national chains brought them. Maybe not just a Southern thing, but that's how I always perceived them.

Certainly when I travel South and West I see lots more biscuits on menus than I ever see at home. And I have never to this day seen biscuit gravy any place within a few hundred miles of home. It's possible that I saw it for the first time when I took a road trip to Colorado last month.

As for biscotti, I have just understood that to mean cookies.

We should have a Fodors get together where everyone brings something called a biscuit and see how many kinds of things show up.

jahoulih Oct 10th, 2005 01:34 PM

To Daisy: I think there is a big difference between biscuits and rolls. Rolls are normally made from a yeast dough, while biscuits are "quick breads"--they use chemical leavenings (baking powder and/or soda) instead of yeast.

To Robespierre: why would an English muffin be called a "muffin anglé"? Every English muffin I've ever had was round, and not "anglé" at all. Surely it is we Americans who call them English muffins, to distinguish them from our American muffins, which are more like little cakes; I think in England they are just called muffins.

starrsville Oct 10th, 2005 01:34 PM

Simone1 is right. The frozen Pillsbury biscuits are wonderful - ALMOST as good as grandma's. In fact, an older woman at a Piggly Wiggly told me about them when shopping in the N GA mountains.

nytraveler - my Southern friend now living in the UWS can buy a frozen scone that is absolutely wonderful. I can't find them anywhere down here. I do love scones.

A biscuit slathered with jelly is just as sweet as a scone.

Also found "Moonshine Jelly" at a mountain produce stand just down the road from the Piggly Wiggly. NOW, we're talking :-)

Mayhaw jelly is a treat too!

BTilke Oct 10th, 2005 01:39 PM

Ah yes, chicken&waffles, that PA Dutch favorite. My father and husband always put gravy on theirs, Mom and I went the butter and powdered sugar route. Sounds weird if you're not a Dutchie, but a little taste of heaven if you are.
A restaurant in Harlem has claimed that they invented the combo in 1938, but it's been a PA Dutch dish for well over a hundred years, often noted in 19th century newspapers from central PA.

starrsville Oct 10th, 2005 01:41 PM

We've got a Gladys Knight's Chicken and Waffles down here. Glad to know where it orginated - didn't know that.

starrsville Oct 10th, 2005 01:43 PM

Was curious so I googled and found this recipe for Penn-Dutch chicken and waffles -

http://teriskitchen.com/padutch/chickwaffles.html

Which is waffles topped with chicken in GRAVY! :-) There's BTilke's gravy on waffles.

Statia Oct 10th, 2005 01:46 PM

Thanks for the further info, BTilke. Never heard of chicken and waffles. Who knew?

Speaking of jelly, I thought jalapeno jelly sounded awful until I tasted it. It's wonderful. A perfect combination of spicy and sweet on those biscuits. And, I might suspect...another southern thing. :)

Carta_Pisana Oct 10th, 2005 01:46 PM

don't forget about chicken fried steak

a Popeye's biscuit - fresh from the oven is decadent - however if they've been sitting around for awhile the term 'butter hockey puck' might be more appropriate than biscuit (and their fried chicken is far better than KFC)

of course one of my favorites - crumbled corn bread in a glass drizzled with enough cold whole milk to make it mushy

jsmith Oct 10th, 2005 01:55 PM

Biscuits are not unusual in New England and are a cherished accompaniment to blueberries, blackberries or apples that have been simmered with water and sugar. Just drop the biscuits on top and add ice cream when serving. You can find many recipes using biscuits on Epicurious. While there you might check the recipe for blackberry slump.

Because the biscuits are unsweetened they can also be served atop a beef stew as Suki said or, for the effete, a Boeuf Bourguignonne.

Other than both being round, there is no great similiarity between an English muffin and a crumpet, the textures are very different. A crumpet has these wonderful little holes that fill with butter and then you top with Robertson's Golden Shred Marmalade. You have to lick your fingers afterward to get the real experience.

BTW, we had apples with biscuits for dessert last night and crumpets for breakfast this morning.

starrsville Oct 10th, 2005 01:57 PM

whole milk? my grandparents supper was cornbread in buttermilk!

As someone said before, biscuits and gravy are ideal for those putting in a long rigorous day.

My grandparents always ate a HUGE lunch with at least 1 meat - always fried - several vegatables, biscuits sopped in sorghum syrup, cornbread and "something sweet" for dessert.

And, then they went back out to work in the garden or fields.

And, at night they had crumbled cornbread in a glass of buttermilk.

No wonder we're so fat. We skip meals during the day and eat a big meal at night - and usually "after dark". :-)


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