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DebitNM Nov 5th, 2014 04:27 AM

I found an affordable apartment in Paris!!
 
Well almost.. Very ingenious.

I finally found an apartment in Paris ( in the 17eme, no less!) that I can afford. Unfortunately, itis a tad too small to be legal, so it's for an au pair. It's 8sqm, needs to be 9sqm.

http://vimeo.com/109832468

Cathinjoetown Nov 5th, 2014 04:42 AM

When I was an au pair I would have loved it, except no comfortable place to sit. That's where the extra sq meter comes in!

latedaytraveler Nov 5th, 2014 04:46 AM

DEBITNM,

Wow, that is tiny, but there is definitely a trend in that direction in cities all over the world. Interesting...

Marianna Nov 5th, 2014 05:07 AM

Interesting, but way too tiny for me. I got claustrophobic just watching it! I also could not sleep in that bed and would never close the door to prevent day light. With one window there isn't much light anyway.

YankyGal Nov 5th, 2014 06:05 AM

The Museum of the City of New York had a great exhibit awhile back on micro-apartments, complete with a staff member who showed you how everything opened/worked, etc.

While I would absolutely downsize to live in Paris, I could not go THAT small (although I love the 17th.) Very interesting, thanks for posting.

P.S. I love the "easy to access" comment - yes, for someone her age! :-)

DebitNM Nov 5th, 2014 06:21 AM

Yes, the lack of a cozy spot to lounge in needed.

IKEA stores always have some tiny space living concepts set up. I have a dream of one of them in a tiny bungalow on Coranado Island California, off San Diego --

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/ikea-smal...oor-plans.html

But by comparison, they seem huge to the spot(and I do mean spot) in Paris!

swandav2000 Nov 5th, 2014 06:24 AM

Yes, I would have LOVED that place when I was living in an au pair apartment in Paris! In that place, the toilet and shower were down the hall . . . I can't believe I lived there.

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branderson925 Nov 5th, 2014 08:30 AM

The before and after cutaway is fantastic. I would so live in that!!

rialtogrl Nov 5th, 2014 09:08 AM

What a clever use of space. That bathroom is pretty nice!

stokebailey Nov 5th, 2014 09:16 AM

I love it and want one. 7th floor walkup instead of a home gym.

Gretchen Nov 5th, 2014 09:37 AM

That is really interesting. What is the rent, out of curiosity.

DebitNM Nov 5th, 2014 09:39 AM

Not rented as it is not a legal apartment. Apparently, the Au pair gets to use it....

Jean Nov 5th, 2014 10:09 AM

When she closed the "bedroom door" while she was inside, all I could think was coffin.

For loungy seating, I'd get this:

http://www.amazon.com/Inflatable-Col...72VPYVPNG1D9BK

I think I could handle a week tops.

flpab Nov 5th, 2014 12:19 PM

I would rather had that comfy seat than that stool. Where was the tv?

Nepheline Nov 5th, 2014 12:31 PM

This isn't an apartment. It's being buried alive. Yikes!

wunderbar2 Nov 5th, 2014 12:50 PM

My goodness, that makes the tiny home movement look like McMansions!

Jean Nov 5th, 2014 04:28 PM

Here's one you can actually rent in Rome. Slightly larger at 10 square meters although I don't think that includes the loft sleeping area. Great location!

http://www.lacasapiupiccoladitalia.com/index_en.html

PatrickLondon Nov 5th, 2014 10:16 PM

It's a regular staple for newspaper stories about property market madness in London:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nds-month.html

DebitNM Nov 5th, 2014 10:29 PM

Jean,cwhat is a step up! Would like a better look at the WC, though.

DebitNM Nov 5th, 2014 10:31 PM

Sorry, should be....Now, that is a step up...

stokebailey Nov 6th, 2014 06:13 AM

Extra space is over rated. How many cats can one person swing, anyway? I'd take any of those London or Rome ones, too.

There's a special camera that apartment rental sites use that I bet could make any of those look palatial. Padded with closeups of flower vase or knickknacks, and several shots of say the Eiffel Tower, Coliseum, or pigeons in Hyde Park.

2010 Nov 6th, 2014 06:17 AM

Just shows how one can transform a small space with clever design. Not sure how livable it is on a day-to-day basis. I would not be able to close the door to sleep (too claustrophobic)... but then, I'd be afraid I would roll out and off the bed in my sleep! I'd need a bar across like on the top of a bunk bed!

Sassafrass Nov 6th, 2014 08:00 AM

Clever, but dreary, like a gray ski with no movement, and terribly claustrophobic. The bath is really nice. The rest is like a prison cell dressed up with laminate. It also looks as if it would feel lonely and isolated. Everything is closed off. It is not a room anymore, simply a closet with built ins. If you could even sit by the window, that might help. They could have done a closet above a pull out bed/sofa with a drawer underneath, book shelves under the window, etc. Overall, I find it wretched.

Jean Nov 6th, 2014 09:33 AM

Sassafrass, here's one for you in Hong Kong, enormous at 330 square feet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQM7a5Yjp9g

Jean Nov 6th, 2014 09:35 AM

Longer, more detailed video of Hong Kong apartment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB2-2j9e4co

I think this flat is really cool.

stokebailey Nov 6th, 2014 09:44 AM

Me, too. Gary Chang is a domestic architecture hero.

offwego13 Nov 6th, 2014 10:24 AM

Wow. Gary Chang is like the Chinese David Blaine. A lot of stuff in that small space but very organized.

iris1745 Nov 6th, 2014 11:30 AM

This is the company we are using for next June/July. Regis is very easy to work with. specialapartments.com

stokebailey Nov 6th, 2014 12:32 PM

When I was a mother's helper/au pair in Westchester County, my "apartment" was the TV room, where I shooed the kids out and unfolded the couch for the night. My own uninvadable apartment, however austere, would have been oh so nice. (Not even to mention having Paris outside my door instead of miles of suburban roads lined with rich folks' houses.)

Sassafrass Nov 6th, 2014 03:47 PM

OMG, I love the Gary Chang space. He used the windows so well, love that you could lay in bed and look out. You could actually cook in the kitchen, and a real tub! The color was warm and inviting - nothing like the laminate cell in Paris. This guy is a creative genius. Love it. Think what he could have done with the Paris space. Fabulous, just fabulous!

isabel Nov 7th, 2014 03:32 AM

This one in Paris is a bit more "livable' I think than the one posted above.

http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/a-ti...g-style-212595

Sassafrass Nov 7th, 2014 03:38 PM

Isabel, that one is nice. Upbeat, spacious feeling, hip and charming. Quite livable. A big change from the laminate cell!

DebitNM Nov 7th, 2014 10:31 PM

Isabel's apartment is 3 times the size. A townhouse by comparison.

I think there could be things done to "comfy" up the original "apartment" but I agree, it would be difficult to make that your home.

Since an au pair lives in it, the assumption is that she is in the main home of her employer the majority of the day.

It's been interesting to see all the tiny spaces.

Sassafrass Nov 7th, 2014 11:28 PM

DebitNM, You are Right. I see the first one in Sq feet is only about 85, so roughly 8x10. Isabel's is 270sq feet, so something roughly like 15 x18 or 12 x 22, a lot more to work with, but it was the closing up of everything in separate gray storage boxes and turning it into a built in closet with a sleeping box that was so bad.

justineparis Nov 8th, 2014 03:58 AM

I liked the small apartments in London.. I could survive if I had to in a few of those.. but anywhere I have to climb a ladder to get in and out of bed is just a no.. I would hate to break my neck going to the bathroom at 4 am all groggy.. yikes
The apartment in Hong Kong was very well done.. but I find it abit cold too.. and really.. where do people put their clothes.. ?

The tiny apartment in London.. well hey.. its better hen being homeless and I know people who would love their own space..even that small , as opposed to having to rent rooms here with shared kitchens and bathroom. Very common here. My sons first place was converted space in someones basement. Four bedrooms.. all shared one bathroom and a small kitchen. No common room , so if you wanted to have folks over they sat on your bed or maybe easy chair you could fit in your bedroom . Rooms for students basically. .but now a days all ages are having to rent such small places because of price. My sons rent was 550 dollars a month . To get your own bachelor apartment here runs about 800 a month and that would not include your utilities.
To put that in perspective... my younger sons is on a disability pension of 800 dollars a month.
A person on welfare gets about 500 dollars a month.

People need more small living choices.

May be horrible to you and me ( lets face it .. many of us have closets not much smaller then some of those apartments) but if its a choice between being homeless and having a clean safe place to sleep each night.. small living is great.


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