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How to visit Burg Hohenzollern within my itinerary?

How to visit Burg Hohenzollern within my itinerary?

Old Jan 28th, 2021, 12:16 PM
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Interestingly had this email exchange with the Bahn ticket office help desk:

Me: When pricing a trip on bahn.com it offers the Rheinland-Pfalz ticket as an option, but Heidelberg is not in the state of Rheinland-Pfalz. What would be needed to complete this journey without incurring a possible fine? If the ticket isn't valid for the entire journey it likely should not be offered, unless it specifies additional conditions.


Them:Thank you for your message.
Unfortunately, Laender-Ticket validity in Germany is not as easy to figure out as - say - rocket science.
The information is actually correct, because Speyer and Heidelberg belong to the same local public transport tarif union (VRN = Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Neckar), and the ticket is valid for this "Verkehrsverbund", even if Heidelberg is located within the state of Baden-Württemberg.


Me: Wonderful news, this clears up a lot. On a side note, would the same Rheinland-Pfalz ticket work to go from Heidelberg to Mainz, or does the trip have to originate in Rheinland-Pfalz?


Them: If you cross the state line within the "Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Neckar" range, you can then take any local train to Mainz. I recommend to talk to the ticket-office staff in Heidelberg train station to confirm the route, in case of doubt, because if you leave the VRN-zone and you are still in Baden-Württemberg, the ticket might really not be valid anymore.


seems like the R-P ticket will get me from Mainz-Speyer-Heidelberg-Mainz with only a ticket from Heidelberg to Mannheim to supplement.

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Old Jan 28th, 2021, 12:21 PM
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I interpret this by the last sentence, "Die Weiterfahrt mit anderen Verbundverkehrsmitteln und Fahrt innerhalb des VRN sind damit nicht mehr möglich" - this pretty clearly says you can't use a R-P ticket within the VRN. If you bought an onwards ticket to Heidelberg from Speyer that would pretty much cover you. Likewise a ticket back to Mannheim from Heidelberg, thence a R-P ticket. I don't understand 'ein- und ausbrechender Verkehr either' but I found this: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einbrechender_Verkehr which suggests that the R-P ticket is just for entry to and out of the zone, and not for travel within that zone. I agree it's not clear but it shouldn't affect Sam's trip. And yes, probably a Tageskarte would be an even cheaper solution, I didn't think of it because the journey is asymmetrical.

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Old Jan 28th, 2021, 05:08 PM
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I’m waiting on a response from VRM find out their thoughts on the matter.
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Old Jan 29th, 2021, 06:52 AM
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This was the conversation with VRN

Me: Would a Rhineland-Palatinate ticket cover a trip from Speyer to Heidelberg?
I'm curious because the website bahn.com is offering this ticket for the trip, but I understand that it is limited to the state of Rhineland-Palatinate only. Can you clarify please?


VRN: Thank you for your request. The Rhineland-Palatinate ticket is only valid to Mannheim main station in the direction of Heidelberg. You need an additional ticket for the rest of the route from Mannheim to Heidelberg.
You can travel cheaper from Speyer to Heidelberg with a VRN ticket.
To do this, use the VRN day ticket. The ticket costs depending on the number of people: Day ticket 1 person € 19.00 Day ticket 2 people € 24.00 Day pass 3 people € 29.00Day ticket 4 people € 34.00 Day ticket 5 people € 39.00 You can get these tickets in Speyer on all buses and in Speyer main station at the Deutsche Bahn machine. With this ticket you can also use all buses and trams in Speyer and Heidelberg.

Me: Thanks for this information. To make things even more complicated, I'll start and end this trip in Mainz. Will the VRN ticket cover the Mainz-Speyer-Heidelberg-Mainz trip?

VRN: no unfortunately Mainz is not part of the VRN. From Mainz to Speyer you need a ticket from Deutsche Bahn. For these journeys you can use the Deutsche Bahn's Quer through the country ticket. This is a ticket with which you can use all surcharge-free trains in Rhineland Palatinate and Baden Württemberg. The ticket is not valid on the buses and trams within the VRN. You can buy the ticket via this link https://www.bahn.de/p/view/angebote/regio/qdl.shtml, at the Deutsche Bahn counter or at the machine.


R-P ticket supplemented with ticket Mannheim-Speyer-Mannheim seems to be the way. If it’s a direct train between Speyer and Heidelberg and then Heidelberg to a Mainz, do I need to get off the train in Mannheim if I purchase the ticket in advance or on the app? Can I just remain in seat and continue the journey with ticket in hand?
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Old Jan 29th, 2021, 08:04 AM
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I see that the voyage from Heidelberg requires a transfer or ICE train, so obviously can’t stay on that train.
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Old Jan 29th, 2021, 08:25 AM
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"VRN: Thank you for your request. The Rhineland-Palatinate ticket is only valid to Mannheim MAIN STATION in the direction of Heidelberg. You need an additional ticket for the rest of the route from Mannheim to Heidelberg"
That's in contradiction with the website of Deutsche Bahn https://www.bahn.de/p/view/mdb/bahni...april_2020.pdf where is stated that the Rheinland-Pfalz ticket is valid up to Mannheim ARENA/Maimarkt.
If you go then to the timetable, enter Mannhein Arena/Maimarkt to Heidelberg Hbf and click on the "to offer/selection bottom, you get "Tageskarte 1 Person for 7 EUR, with the explanation:
"The all-day ticket is valid for a maximum of five adults or two adults with any number of their own children up to and including the age of 14 within the scope on buses, railroads and local passenger trains (RE, regional trains and S-Bahn: second class) for any number of journeys. It is valid for one calendar day until 3 am on the following day (on Fridays, Saturdays and before public holidays until 6 am of the following day) "
If you buy this day ticket for your travel date in the web, there shoud be no need to leave your train at Mannheim Arena/Maimarkt.
As the Rheinland-Pfalz ticket and the VRN Mannheim Arena/Maimarkt all day ticket are both valid the whole day, you could go back the same way without any extra charge, for example
Heidelberg dp 17.43 (S 3) - Ludwigshafen Hbf ar 18.09, dp 18.19 (S 6) - Mainz Hbf ar 19.38

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You both seem to have this pretty wrapped up - so many arcane rules and they never spell them out for the traveller from abroad. Sam, you should travel with a copy of your email from Deutsche Bahn / VRM because the conductor may not be up to date on all the rules. I think you will be OK with a Tageskarte as neckervd explains.

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Old Feb 1st, 2021, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lavandula View Post
You both seem to have this pretty wrapped up - so many arcane rules and they never spell them out for the traveller from abroad. Sam, you should travel with a copy of your email from Deutsche Bahn / VRM because the conductor may not be up to date on all the rules. I think you will be OK with a Tageskarte as neckervd explains.

Enjoy!

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Thanks for all your guidance, you’ve both been a tremendous help. I’m sure I have a few more things to iron out, but plenty time to get there.
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