How to travel without a valid passport
Dec 14th, 2014, 08:16 AM
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"If you live in the UK, maybe, but there are many, many borders where you can drive or take a bus and walk across."
And in almost every case, will be prevented from going beyond that border without a valid travel document. Very few countries (the US is one, but most travellers aren't American) dispense with exit checks at their land border.
And in almost every case, will be prevented from going beyond that border without a valid travel document. Very few countries (the US is one, but most travellers aren't American) dispense with exit checks at their land border.
Dec 14th, 2014, 08:21 AM
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so, let me get this right, you have opened a thread advocating travelling without a valid passport when in fact what you did was to travel on your valid one but used the expired one to go through passport control because you knew that you could.
Some might call you irresponsible, SJ. I will suffice by calling you an idiot.
Some might call you irresponsible, SJ. I will suffice by calling you an idiot.
Dec 14th, 2014, 08:35 AM
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@nyt - I didn't say you would be allowed across the border without valid documents. I was pointing out that you could get to the border without them. I have arrived at a number of borders without my transport wanting to see my passport.
Dec 14th, 2014, 09:05 AM
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Oh annhig, you're getting ridiculous again.
I am not 'advocating' travelling without a valid passport. Where in anything I wrote did you read that? I am saying you can enter a country on an expired passport, I thought that was quite clear. I am also saying you can travel TO a country for which you have an expired passport and that I have personally done so several times in fact.
Flanneruk, I don't understand your comment re thursdaysd's comment about getting to a border without a valid passport. What does an 'exit check' do other than determine if you were in that country legally? It certainly doesn't stop you from leaving that country if you were there legally. The issue is ENTRY into the next country. That's where you need valid documention, to ENTER, not to exit. Or is there some other point you were trying to make?
I am not 'advocating' travelling without a valid passport. Where in anything I wrote did you read that? I am saying you can enter a country on an expired passport, I thought that was quite clear. I am also saying you can travel TO a country for which you have an expired passport and that I have personally done so several times in fact.
Flanneruk, I don't understand your comment re thursdaysd's comment about getting to a border without a valid passport. What does an 'exit check' do other than determine if you were in that country legally? It certainly doesn't stop you from leaving that country if you were there legally. The issue is ENTRY into the next country. That's where you need valid documention, to ENTER, not to exit. Or is there some other point you were trying to make?
Dec 14th, 2014, 09:24 AM
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I am not 'advocating' travelling without a valid passport. Where in anything I wrote did you read that?>>
how about your thread title, SJ?
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or the second paragraph of your opening post?
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quod erat demonstrandum. [look it up]
how about your thread title, SJ?
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or the second paragraph of your opening post?
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quod erat demonstrandum. [look it up]
Dec 14th, 2014, 04:36 PM
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"I knew it would put some people's nose out of joint as I said in the beginning."
Seems like the whole reason for starting this thread was to put some people's nose out of joint. Why bother? There is too much of that already on Fodor's. Unnecessarily provocative and sort of childish, actually.
Seems like the whole reason for starting this thread was to put some people's nose out of joint. Why bother? There is too much of that already on Fodor's. Unnecessarily provocative and sort of childish, actually.
Dec 14th, 2014, 05:16 PM
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I have always seen Fodors as a bunch of friends with generally a shared interest in travel. I have been fortunate to meet a couple of these friends in person - one house sat for us for a couple of months, another is now a very close friend in Venice. We asked another to stay in Melbourne, although it did not happen because of changes to travel plans.
In the Lounge, there is real companionship. People have been supported through really tough situations, deaths in the family, profound problems with their children. Many of us (and I use the term "us" advisedly) were saddened to learn of the death of posters. LoveItaly and NeilOz were the most generous of posters, now gone to that big forum in the sky.
There are posters on here that I would love to meet, if only to find out if they were as sharp and witty in real life as they are on the keyboard. Some posters, particularly the Americans, have had this chance and I envy them those occasions. I'd love to know if NYT and NYFS are really as vinegary face to face as they are on the keyboard. I suspect that are not, are quite charming, and just run a persona on the keyboard, a really well informed persona. I'd love to see if Thin is as fashion conscious and suave as I imagine him to be.
What I fail to understand is posters who join, apparently to argue, and put down people who ask the most innocent of questions. Improviser and Dulcius did this frequently, while disparaging people who could only travel for a couple of weeks at a stretch. The whole tourist vs. traveller thing, maybe not travelling but certainly taking an ego trip. Using the Royal Plural when commenting, not realising that "we" are actually "us", and "us" are generally fairly polite.
SJT is on the same ego trip. It's time he desisted.
In the Lounge, there is real companionship. People have been supported through really tough situations, deaths in the family, profound problems with their children. Many of us (and I use the term "us" advisedly) were saddened to learn of the death of posters. LoveItaly and NeilOz were the most generous of posters, now gone to that big forum in the sky.
There are posters on here that I would love to meet, if only to find out if they were as sharp and witty in real life as they are on the keyboard. Some posters, particularly the Americans, have had this chance and I envy them those occasions. I'd love to know if NYT and NYFS are really as vinegary face to face as they are on the keyboard. I suspect that are not, are quite charming, and just run a persona on the keyboard, a really well informed persona. I'd love to see if Thin is as fashion conscious and suave as I imagine him to be.
What I fail to understand is posters who join, apparently to argue, and put down people who ask the most innocent of questions. Improviser and Dulcius did this frequently, while disparaging people who could only travel for a couple of weeks at a stretch. The whole tourist vs. traveller thing, maybe not travelling but certainly taking an ego trip. Using the Royal Plural when commenting, not realising that "we" are actually "us", and "us" are generally fairly polite.
SJT is on the same ego trip. It's time he desisted.
Dec 15th, 2014, 01:47 AM
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well said, Peter. I hope that we can all be forgiven a bit of grouchiness occasionally, just like in a normal family, but there are some who regularly overstep the mark. I hope for their sake that they are more likeable and less obsessive in real life.
Dec 15th, 2014, 04:58 AM
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OP is the same travel documents "expert" who last week didn't know whether or not someone flying from the USA to Spain via Heathrow would need to clear customs & immigration at LHR.
Hint to OP: being both a gasbag and a purveyor of bad info is not a good combination.
Hint to OP: being both a gasbag and a purveyor of bad info is not a good combination.
Dec 15th, 2014, 08:49 AM
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Well annhig, I would say there is a difference between saying something is 'possible' and saying, 'go and do this.' The first is simply information the second is advocating. But if you want to think I am advocating something then go ahead. It's not as if it will impact my life in any way.
As for the comments following your 1.24pm comment, whatever a little circle of schmoozers who console each other on family deaths etc. have to say is of even less consequence. I hate to think I would ever be reduced to depending on an internet forum group for support of any kind.
As for the comments following your 1.24pm comment, whatever a little circle of schmoozers who console each other on family deaths etc. have to say is of even less consequence. I hate to think I would ever be reduced to depending on an internet forum group for support of any kind.
