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How to avoid getting one's bottom pinched in Europe?

How to avoid getting one's bottom pinched in Europe?

May 5th, 2001, 08:35 AM
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Just reread one of your posts.
Girdles, garter belts and stockings.
thank god those days are over!
(at least the girdle part)
But, you are correct, what a gentleman!
May 5th, 2001, 08:54 AM
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Nancy: tis so true about the invisibilty of "women of a certain age", that was why I was secretly thrilled....I was not invisible! Hurrah for me!
FWIW, I think my husband misses the old garter belts...me... no way....girdles have been replaced by "Flexees" and the like.. back in the olden days we we were trussed like turkeys....what an analogy<g> Judy ;-)
May 5th, 2001, 09:29 AM
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Lisa, s.fowler, & Nancy ~ Thanks for your comments, they're very interesting. My impression has always been that for women -- and especially for women who call themselves feminists -- any kind of unsolicited physical contact from a man on the street (or rue or via or strasse) is completely unacceptable.

P.S. Lisa ~ Loved your "we're fodorists" quip!

May 5th, 2001, 01:29 PM
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I've been to Italy five times and have yet to be pinched. I was in my early 20s the first time I went and was kind of expecting 'the pinch'. Not a single one! The men did, however, yell to me many times from across the street. I was asked out numerous times to get a cappucino or an aperitif. I must admit, I did go out a few times. Funny how insulting it seems in America when a man yells a 'compliment' to women on the street but in Italy, it seems almost poetic!
May 5th, 2001, 01:52 PM
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Deena, Re: "Funny how insulting it seems in America when a man yells a 'compliment' to women on the street but in Italy, it seems almost poetic!"

Interesting that you brought that up because this thread has made me wonder about that very thing, whether attention from men that's considered annoying, or insulting, in the U.S. might be perceived differently if it was from men in a European (or other) country.
May 5th, 2001, 05:40 PM
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Good one, Capo! Perhaps it isn't as insulting if I don't know what they are saying. Italian sounds so nice, doesn't it??
May 5th, 2001, 07:29 PM
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eat a lot of beans for breakfast, thus increasing the chances that you'll fart a lot for the rest of the day. that oughtta keep those fingers away from the derriere!
May 6th, 2001, 02:54 AM
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A. I think this is sort of a non-issue. The vast majority of women who go to Italy don't get pinched. Those who do probably don't get pinched more than once.

B. But to all those who think it's an innocuous practice, it is -- just like men calling things out to women passing on the street -- a matter of intent. If confronted, every single one of these men will claim that it was intended as a compliment. But the idea is really to intrude on the woman's personal space and make her uncomfortable. Those men enjoy it much more if she blushes and seems to get irritated or upset than if she calls something back to them -- and what if she pinched back!

My brother once chided me for being overly sensitive about such things. I reminded him of how he much he hated it when he was 8 or 10 and an aunt or older neighbor came up to him and pinched him on the cheek, saying "ooo, isn't he just so cute!" I pointed out that (at the time) I was 32 and I still didn't like it.
May 6th, 2001, 01:33 PM
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Any other comments?
May 6th, 2001, 02:35 PM
Al Godon
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I have a question for Callie.
How do you know how many times women in Rome get pinched and don't get pinched??
You got some empirical evidence to substantiate your assertion?

Perhaps we could formulate a grant proposal to the National Science Foundation. We get a group of 12 to 15 shapely females of nearly the same age, 21 lets say, dress them in identical sky high mini skirts and send them into Roman crowds.
For control we could get a group of 12 skinny females who look like death warmed over and send them into the same crowd in identical attire.

And as a third group, we could collect a small brigade of corpulent females, sans girdles, to repeat the same exercise.

Naturally we would have to offer considerable financial compensation.
We could even offer a bonus based on the number of pinches.

We should probably repeat the exercise no less than 5 or 6 times at various times of the day and under different circumstances. We can have some bloke with a camera stationed overhad to take a picture of the crowd so that we could get a good count on the percent males and percent females in the crowd.
That would shed light on whether or not a female is more likely to get pinched in a crowd where males are the majority and one where females are the majority.

We could do this at various times of the day and at various venues, such as soccer games, operas, and rock concerts.
We should also consider height, hair color, and skin tone. All sorts of facinating correlations should appear.
We might come to a conclusion that females who rate a 10 on the shapely scale are 43.5678% more likely to get pinched than is a famale who rates only 6 on the shapely scale.

Just to make things even, we can get similar groups of guys and send them in. That way we could to an equal opportunity design. We might have trouble rounding up 12 - 15 anorexic guys, but for a price we might get some to look that way.

We would also need pinch monitors to follow along and tally the number of pinches each person received.
I think we would need small, athletic types for the pinch monitors so they could keep up with the subjects as they sashay along the street.

Anyone want to be the pinch monitors??
May 6th, 2001, 05:33 PM
Bob Brown
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I have a question for Mr. Godon.
Would it not be better to have the subjects of the study go in random order?
Even if they went at 60 second intervals or so, and hence were separated, would not the constant stream of one type of person bias the study??
Anybody out there a specialist in that kind of research design??
May 7th, 2001, 02:26 AM
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Obviously, Mr. Godon feels very strongly about some aspect of this issue. Where can all that passion and sarcasm be coming from?

But to answer the somewhat naive question you ask with such sincerity, I didn't base my guess on scientific experiment but on -- surprise -- reports from traveling friends and my own experience. However, as a social scientist myself, I suggest Mr. Godon's methodology is somewhat over-thought. A simple poll of female Americans as they disembark on this side of the Atlantic would do it. Expanding the sample to include a category for pinched males would be a pretty good example of unnecessary extra work, since neither the theory nor the research question as posed calls for it.

But it would certainly be worth a separate poll of males to see whether they consider pinching to be a. a figment of women's imagination; b. something women should be flattered by; c. a challenge to the masculinity of a woman's male partner; or d. a new hobby.

I'm sure both Al and Bob would find themselves much engaged by reading the write-up of these studies.
May 7th, 2001, 04:34 AM
dan woodlief
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Since I am a market researcher by profession, I would be glad to administer the survey, run the results through SPSS software, and report back on my findings here. We could even do some cross tabs on the demographics to see what types of men are more likely to pinch. Then travelers could know to either avoid them or get near them as the case may be. I think it would be more effective though if Fodors payed my way over to Europe to do a little personal observation though, so that I can write up an effective survey.

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