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francophile03 Oct 19th, 2003 11:30 AM

Hotel de Lutece, St. Louis en lle or Hotel de Fleurie (Paris)
Hi, I am trying to choose a nice (charming) hotel again. Both of the choices above are similar in cost. I read comments that Hotel de Lutece has small rooms but I requested a triple with 2 beds for myself and my relative. I'm interested in this hotel as it's on Ile St. Louis and judging from comments it's a very nice location.

Hotel de Fleurie seems very nice too! So I am having a puzzling time deciding between these two hotels. It would be great to have a nice view and I don't think Fleurie has any but I am not sure if the triple at Hotel de Lutece has one-does anyone know?

If anyone has any reason(s) that one is more favorable than the other, please let me know.

Thanks again.

Scarlett Oct 19th, 2003 12:17 PM

We stayed in the Lutece , a number of years ago. We were on the fifth floor over the rue St-Louis en Ille. We had a double room, with two twin beds and while the room was tiny, the bathroom was very big (maybe bigger than the bedroom) and there were two windows, looking over the rooftops . If you lean way out ( I scared my husband) you can almost see Notre Dame. And how bad is any hotel that is steps away from Berthillon?
They have a fireplace in the lobby and a comfy sofa..the usual teeny elevator for two. They are happy to bring room service(breakfast) at no cost since the breakfast room is also very small.
I think any room on the 4th, 5th, 6th floor on the street side have views. Once you get to the 5th floor, you must walk to the 6th.
A lovely dilemma :)

Marilyn Oct 19th, 2003 12:26 PM

We stayed at de Lutece last June and loved it. The Ile is like a little oasis in the midst of the city. The hotel staff was great and the location can't be beat in my opinion -- 5 minutes walk to Notre Dame and 5 in the other direction into the Marais. Metro stop also very close, maybe 2 blocks.

If you email them and ask about the triple, I'm sure they can tell you if it faces the street and therefore has a view.

Our room was small, but not as tiny as I had expected. When I remarked on this at check out, I learned that it is one of the larger rooms in the hotel. Still, the door into the room and the closet door had a problem with both wanting to occupy the same space at the same time.

If it is important to you, also check on the bath/shower arrangement in your room. Some do not have showers, but only bathtubs. Bathroom was newly renovated and great otherwise.

Sorry, can't comment on de Fleurie!

francophile03 Oct 19th, 2003 03:34 PM

Thank you both for your feedback. I was told that the triple room has a shower. I need to ask the hotel about the location of the room.

I know we won't care to go out to look for breakfast since the weather will be quite cold. How was the breakfast at the hotel?

francophile03 Oct 19th, 2003 03:40 PM

Scarlett and Marilyn, what can you say about the furnishings at the Lutece? Are they nice or shabby?

Marilyn Oct 19th, 2003 03:52 PM

We had the breakfast only one morning and thought it was excellent. Pots of coffee and hot milk to mix your own cafe au lait and fresh flaky croissants with various jams. Although I think the optional breakfasts in most Parisian hotels are absurdly expensive (10-15E pp for juice, crossants, and coffee), it will cost you almost as much at a local cafe, and at least this was delicious. We would probably have more breakfasts at the hotel next time.

Furnishings were very nice, not at all shabby. Not super fancy a la Louis XIV, rather more casual and country, but very charming and well-kept-up. We paid about 50E more per night for the Millesime on Rue Jacob, and de Lutece was a lot nicer in my opinion. I would stay there again in a heartbeat.

francophile03 Oct 19th, 2003 04:01 PM

It sounds really nice-thanks. I am sort of wary about hotels that are "charming" because alot claim to be but turn out to be more "shabby" than charming. Sorry about the Millesime. I think it's almost the same feeling I had about Hotel d'Angleterre in St. Germain. It was a great location but the room wasn't what I expected for the rate.

Marilyn Oct 19th, 2003 04:13 PM

I know exactly what you mean, francophile. The Millesime was OK, but when I'm paying 200 bucks a night, at the very least I don't expect anything to be shabby. Maybe I'm just living in the past, pricewise!

I actually liked the Ile location better than Rue Jacob, but I suppose that depends on what sort of neighborhood you prefer. In any case, please post after your trip and let us know what you thought about whichever hotel you choose.

Scarlett Oct 19th, 2003 05:44 PM

Marilyn would know the condition of the rooms better, having been there more recently than I. I do remember the fabrics in the room being Provencal prints and very warm and pretty. I don't even remember if there was a closet, LOL, the room was pretty small!
Breakfast was excellent, croissants and very good coffee (my usual)..there is a wonderful Frommagerie and Pattisserie right across the street. My habit quickly became one of stopping for a sweet on my way to the room each afternoon. Beware~
My daughter will be staying there this spring when she goes for her first trip to Paris :)

francophile03 Oct 20th, 2003 08:36 AM

Thanks to you both. The hotel responded that the triple is facing the back of the hotel. The island sounds so nice to stay for a change but the Fleurie really looks more spacious and seems to have a larger breakfast. It is pretty difficult to make the decision. I'm not good at trip reports but at least I can give some feedback about the hotel I do choose in the end.

rmmr Oct 20th, 2003 09:12 AM


I've requested a room at Hotel de Lutece in November. Do you happen to remember the room number of your "larger" room, or do you know if rooms on certain floors or areas are the larger ones? Similarly, do certain floors/areas tend to have showers v. just bathtubs? Thanks!

Marilyn Oct 20th, 2003 11:38 AM

rmmr, I think the shower/bathtub thing is random. You would need to ask, or let them know if you have a definite preference.

I didn't make a note of our room number because I only found out it was one of the "larger" rooms when we were checking out and on our way to the airport. It did face the front and was on one of the higher floors, but not the top. I will dig up my bill and see if it has the room number. But do be aware that "larger" room is very much a relative term!

Marilyn Oct 20th, 2003 11:41 AM

Room 441. (I hope everyone is suitably impressed!)
And breakfast was 10E pp.

rmmr Oct 22nd, 2003 12:15 PM

Marilyn, I am truly impressed--thanks so much! Yesterday they emailed me that they had available rooms. I emailed back requesting a "larger room, if possible" and one with a shower. They replied with a confirmation which simply said that I had a double with "bath or shower" --oh well, we'll see. One other question--any restaurant/cafe or shopping recommendations on Ile St. Louis?


Marilyn Oct 22nd, 2003 02:46 PM

Try a search. I know there are restaurants people like on the Ile (La Reine Blanche?), but we didn't really "dine" there -- just pizza one night in a little cafe. Berthillon is almost across the street from the hotel, so that takes care of your ice cream needs. There are some cute shops, but I would head into the Marais for shopping. I was crazy about a couple of the stores I saw there. I don't think I have the names but...I'll look!

Marilyn Oct 22nd, 2003 02:48 PM

francophile, our favorite meal was at Au Bascou. Great food and service, just a wonderful evening. It's on the Right Bank (Rue Reaumur or something like that), not too far from where you are staying. Again, a search should pull it up. Have a bon voyage!

Kate2 Oct 24th, 2003 07:49 AM

Topping for Gourmand

JohnH Oct 24th, 2003 08:17 AM

I stayed at the Lutece in May 2002. It was the largest hotel room I ever had in Paris, more comparable to an "American" hotel room.

Sorry, I don't remember the room number but I had a double room on the 3rd or 4th floor. It was in the back, so there was no view and it was quite dark. Also there was a stale odor of cigarette smoke in the room.

The room was certainly not shabby but honestly could have used a little freshening up - meaning some newer furnishings, paint and fabrics.

The bathroom was also large, with a tub, no shower but a shower attachment.

In spite of what I just said, this was still my favorite place to stay in Paris (this was my 6th visit). The hotel is charming, the staff is courteous and the location is really perfect.

So you may find that the triple room is also large. If it is in the back though, I would not expect a view.

elaine Oct 24th, 2003 08:37 AM

You've all got my attention.
Anyone have a direct website or email for Hotel de Lutece?
I tried
but ended up at a hotel group booking site.

Scarlett Oct 24th, 2003 09:57 AM

Hi elaine!
My daughter is going to be staying at the Lutece in the spring. I found this website for her:

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 10:28 AM is their direct website.

Scarlett Oct 24th, 2003 10:32 AM

"Some of the rooms have exposed beams, and rooms 221, 321, 421, & 521 face the street, with room 621 being the largest street facing room. Room 662 has a view above the Parisian rooftops with the Le Panthéon in the distance."
From the Jetsetting review. I am pretty sure we stayed in Room 521.

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 10:32 AM

Here is their email address:
[email protected]

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 10:35 AM

John, do you recall the triple room number because I think that may be the room I am offered.

Marilyn Oct 24th, 2003 10:42 AM

Perhaps they have done some refurbishing in the year between John's stay and mine. Our room was definitely NOT in need of paint or new fabrics. Everything felt quite fresh and new, especially the bathroom which appeared to have been redone fairly recently. But sometimes hotels do not do all the rooms at once, so there can be quite a difference between rooms.

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 12:18 PM

Sorry John, I read your post incorrectly. But if anyone has info. on the triple rooms please let me know. Thanks.

elaine Oct 24th, 2003 01:50 PM

thanks for the website and email info

dln Oct 24th, 2003 02:09 PM

When they were living in London, my aunt and uncle used to visit Paris regularly, and they always stayed at Hotel de Fleurie. My uncle (before he retired) was one of Eastman Kodak's vice presidents and was used to living plush--he always had the nicest things to say about the Fleurie. Have you looked at their website? (Not to throw a curve ball at you at this late date in the postings, but....!)

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 03:06 PM

Yes, I have checked the Fleurie's website plus's website which has alot more pictures than the hotel's. But that's part of the "problem".

Fleurie is nice! But so is Lutece! Lutece is cheaper though. I can't decide!

Marilyn Oct 24th, 2003 03:52 PM

francophile, I was curious so I looked at the Fleurie on the parisby website. It looks nice, but I must say the rooms do not look any larger than the one we had at the Lutece. I think your choice is really about location. I could tell you all the reasons why I like the Ile as opposed to Saint Germain, but ultimately it come down to what <i>you</i> prefer.

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 05:09 PM

Marilyn, thanks for taking time to view the rooms at the Fleurie. It helps to have an idea of the size. Fleurie is offering a deluxe twin because the standard is too small to accomodate two beds I guess. But Lutece is offering a triple. And I have not stayed on Ile St. Louis before. I really think that a stay on the island is something to experience at least once so I am leaning towards the Lutece now.

Scarlett Oct 24th, 2003 05:28 PM

Hi francophile,
We are moving and tonight I was going through the thousands ( ok, slight exaggeration) of photos we have from trips .. there was a photo of my husband, sitting in the window of the Lutece, looking out over the rooftops!
There were photos of the lovely cheese shop right across the street and next door to that, the bakery..just a few door up is a great tea salon. We would always go there upon arrival in Paris, we would sit and have a bite to eat and adjust to Being There!
You really need never leave the Ille, there are so many very good restaurants, you can sit and look across at the Left Bank and at Notre Dame, I still dream of living there~

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 09:01 PM

Hi Scarlett, the triple room the hotel is offering me is facing the back of the hotel so there will be no view. I am not sure if there are any triple rooms facing the street because that would be nicer. I guess I can ask. At least they said that there is a wall shower with a shower shield :) That's a relief as I do not wish to wet the whole room. I did that once when there was no curtain/shield and it was awful! I suppose that if there is a shower only and no bathtub (why do they call them &quot;bathtube&quot;?) that would mean the bathroom is small?
Also they say that the triple room is comfortable.

francophile03 Oct 24th, 2003 09:07 PM

In regards to restaurants on the island, has anyone eaten at Nos Ancetres les Gaulois? It's located on the same street as the Hotel de Lutece.

Scarlett Oct 25th, 2003 05:09 AM

Rue St-Louis en Ille runs the length of the Ille and that is where you will find all the restos..although I remember that the cow (&quot;Vache&quot;)restaurant was about a few steps off the Rue. I would guess that the entire island is 5-9 blocks long? So everything is close. The hotel is but about 2 blocks from Notre Dame, not counting crossing the footbridge.
The Hotel is #65 I think, whatever # the resto is can tell you how close it is to the hotel..
off to Apartment hunt now! Have a good day, making such a lovely decision :)

rmmr Oct 27th, 2003 10:51 AM

Francophile, Marilyn, and others,

Thanks so much for the wonderful advice. Francophile, how did you get the Lutece to give you a specific room description? As I mentioned, although I specifically (and more than once) requested a &quot;larger&quot; room and a shower, the email replies I've received only acknowledge that I'm booked in a double with a bath or shower. I'm hesitant to press them as I'm afraid they'll become irritated and consequently place me in the smallest room, with a bath instead of shower (I'm becoming paranoid after reading a lot of Polly Platt's &quot;French or Foe&quot;, which, contrary to it's intended purpose, has convinced me that, short of saying &quot;Bon jour&quot;, &quot;merci&quot;, and &quot;au revoir&quot; madame or monsieur, nothing I can say or do will be &quot;right&quot;, and will simply result in a negative reaction by Parisians)! And I know these seem like minor room details, but they're important to us, especially since we'll be there 5 nights.

Again, thanks for all the very helpful information.

francophile03 Oct 27th, 2003 11:42 AM

I just asked specifically what I needed to know. It helps to ask only one question as I asked what's for breakfast and that one went unanswered. I find that if they miss answering a question send another email and inform them it was missed.
I know you feel as though you'll be pesky but if you limit your questions to what's really important it shouldn't be a problem. If they truly ignore my questions alltogether it's time to reconsider if I want to stay there.

francophile03 Oct 27th, 2003 12:15 PM

By the way, as you may have read, Lutece has small double rooms. For this reason I requested a triple room so we could get more space although it's only 2 of us. You may wish to do that too if you are concerned with space.
By the way it sounds they may have only two triple rooms and they face the back with a shower and shower screen.

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